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racman
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:
AIX vs Solaris
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I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
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Sybrand Bakker
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On 20 Jul 2006 08:43:37 -0700, "racman" <arubin@mfs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
Thanks
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Interesting question.
This are just my 2 euro cents..
AIX
has a more complete O/S (asynchronous I/O is standard)
better management tools
Less parameters to tune
More diagnostic tools.
The hardware breaks less often.
I don't know anything about IBM support, but I do know Sun support in
the Netherlands sucks. One of our customers is having issues with Sun
on their support contract for years.
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Matthias Hoys
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:
Re: AIX vs Solaris
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"racman" <arubin@mfs.com> wrote in message
news:1153410217.495996.270790@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
Thanks
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Well, the one thing I don't like about AIX is that it can only be installed
on (expensive) RISC/PowerPC hardware. You can not install it on a PC under
VMWare to "play with" (like Solaris and Linux). |
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boogab00@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject:
Re: AIX vs Solaris
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racman wrote:
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
Thanks
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Depends on your needs. AIX is much more stable but more expensive. We
bought 9 Sun 6800's a few years back and Sun had to replace EVERY
system board. The glue used to glue the cpu's onto the board was
defective which caused us many, many outages. Sun was very slow to
respond to the problem before admitting to the problem. If Oracle
wasn't so darn expensive, I would recommend a RAC setup on commodity
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Sybrand Bakker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:34 pm Post subject:
Re: AIX vs Solaris
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:58:41 +0200, "Matthias Hoys" <anti@spam.com>
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"racman" <arubin@mfs.com> wrote in message
news:1153410217.495996.270790@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
Thanks
Well, the one thing I don't like about AIX is that it can only be installed
on (expensive) RISC/PowerPC hardware. You can not install it on a PC under
VMWare to "play with" (like Solaris and Linux).
Quality has it's price. In the end, because Sun hardware breaks down |
often, IBM is cheaper.
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hpuxrac
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Joined: 11 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:
Re: AIX vs Solaris
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Sybrand Bakker wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Jul 2006 08:43:37 -0700, "racman" <arubin@mfs.com> wrote:
I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
Thanks
Interesting question.
This are just my 2 euro cents..
AIX
has a more complete O/S (asynchronous I/O is standard)
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Oh you have to pay for asynch IO with sun? Not.
| Quote: | better management tools
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For example ... what exactly?
| Quote: | Less parameters to tune
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At least oracle doesn't have many parameters.
| Quote: | More diagnostic tools.
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More is better? Let's see some specific examples.
| Quote: | The hardware breaks less often.
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All hardware breaks eventually.
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I don't know anything about IBM support, but I do know Sun support in
the Netherlands sucks. One of our customers is having issues with Sun
on their support contract for years.
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OK so you just posted some stuff about AIX but now you don't know
anything about IBM support? |
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Brian Peasland
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I can't speak to AIX with respect to Oracle as I have never run Oracle
on it, but our Solaris boxes are some of the best for our Oracle
databases that we have used. Each Unix variant will have its pros and
cons, but I really like Oracle on Solaris.
| Quote: | I don't know anything about IBM support, but I do know Sun support in
the Netherlands sucks. One of our customers is having issues with Sun
on their support contract for years.
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I've used both IBM and Sun support here in the US and I've rarely had a
problem with them. No support is perfect, but IBM and Sun are far from
the worst vendors I've had to deal with...
Cheers!
Brian
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Andreas Piesk
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Re: AIX vs Solaris
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racman wrote:
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
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Oracle on AIX has it's quirks (PVID and ASM, LARGE_PAGE, cLVM and RAC,
etc) but it works reasonable well.
Solaris has a big advantage: it's Oracles 64bit development platform.
therefore bug reporting/fixing is a lot easier with Solaris. some time
ago i waited more than 3 weeks to get a bug approved because Oracle had
no AIX 5.3+latest installation available.
regards,
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Sybrand Bakker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:29 pm Post subject:
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On 20 Jul 2006 12:53:43 -0700, "hpuxrac" <johnbhurley@sbcglobal.net>
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Sybrand Bakker wrote:
On 20 Jul 2006 08:43:37 -0700, "racman" <arubin@mfs.com> wrote:
I need to give a presentation on the benefits of AIX vs Solaris.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss either platform, I think they both work very well with
specific databases,
storage and apps. Thoughts please!
Thanks
Interesting question.
This are just my 2 euro cents..
AIX
has a more complete O/S (asynchronous I/O is standard)
Oh you have to pay for asynch IO with sun? Not.
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Are you sure? People in my firm always state you have to buy Veritas
Advanced Edition or Veritas Database Edition. The vxfs that comes with
Solaris doesn't support asychronous I/O, or everyone here is very
mistaken. Might be, today someone stated you need OnlineJFS to enable
asynchronous I/O in HP UX and to me it looks like this is in HPUX 11
and beyond
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better management tools
For example ... what exactly?
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Smit: System Management InTerface. And there is smitty for non-X
access. As far as I know the equivalent Solaris tool is limited
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Less parameters to tune
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No need to tune semaphore parameters and the like.
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At least oracle doesn't have many parameters.
More diagnostic tools.
More is better? Let's see some specific examples.
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errpt, diag
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The hardware breaks less often.
All hardware breaks eventually.
We had a Sun motherboard break within 3 months after delivery.
I don't know anything about IBM support, but I do know Sun support in
the Netherlands sucks. One of our customers is having issues with Sun
on their support contract for years.
OK so you just posted some stuff about AIX but now you don't know
anything about IBM support?
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I never needed IBM support, as the system never broke down.
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Bob Jones
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Joined: 28 Jun 2005
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Re: AIX vs Solaris
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| Quote: | Interesting question.
This are just my 2 euro cents..
AIX
has a more complete O/S (asynchronous I/O is standard)
Oh you have to pay for asynch IO with sun? Not.
Are you sure? People in my firm always state you have to buy Veritas
Advanced Edition or Veritas Database Edition. The vxfs that comes with
Solaris doesn't support asychronous I/O, or everyone here is very
mistaken.
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Very mistaken indeed. AIO is built into Solaris. No Veritas needed.
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better management tools
For example ... what exactly?
Smit: System Management InTerface. And there is smitty for non-X
access. As far as I know the equivalent Solaris tool is limited
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I would say Smit is better on AIX and SMC is better on Solaris.
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Less parameters to tune
No need to tune semaphore parameters and the like.
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That is kind of trivial to mention. There are also some parameters needed
tuning on AIX but not on Solaris.
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At least oracle doesn't have many parameters.
More diagnostic tools.
More is better? Let's see some specific examples.
errpt, diag
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syslog, DTrace.
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The hardware breaks less often.
All hardware breaks eventually.
We had a Sun motherboard break within 3 months after delivery.
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Sun hardware has been very reliable for us. Solaris also runs on x86 systems
so you have choices from many vendors other than Sun. |
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Skirao
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:11 am Post subject:
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Oracle on AIX is definitely faster. Applications are much more stable
on AIX than on Solaris...sorry Slowaris.
Yes, AIX might be expensive but you make it up over time. the no. of
tools available for AIX is huge...the capabilties are much advanced
compared to Slowaris.
Sun is cheaper, no doubt. scalability is limited. As one poster
mentioned, getting Oracle patches is faster on Sun than on AIX.
we develop large, commercial applications on 4 of the most widely used
UNIX flavours and we have seen that Slowaris under performs quite a few
times. it is not just the application but the database too.
RAC on AIX performs better than on Sun. RAC setup even in early 2001
was quite easy compared to Sun.
web applications, java stuff seem to do well on Slowaris boxes ..small
to large but commerical applications, ERP, etc. don't scale as well on
Sun as they do on AIX.
so, i would choose Sun over AIX if my budgets are small and performance
is not really a major criteria. the type of application also needs
consideration.
cheers
anand
Bob Jones wrote:
| Quote: | Interesting question.
This are just my 2 euro cents..
AIX
has a more complete O/S (asynchronous I/O is standard)
Oh you have to pay for asynch IO with sun? Not.
Are you sure? People in my firm always state you have to buy Veritas
Advanced Edition or Veritas Database Edition. The vxfs that comes with
Solaris doesn't support asychronous I/O, or everyone here is very
mistaken.
Very mistaken indeed. AIO is built into Solaris. No Veritas needed.
better management tools
For example ... what exactly?
Smit: System Management InTerface. And there is smitty for non-X
access. As far as I know the equivalent Solaris tool is limited
I would say Smit is better on AIX and SMC is better on Solaris.
Less parameters to tune
No need to tune semaphore parameters and the like.
That is kind of trivial to mention. There are also some parameters needed
tuning on AIX but not on Solaris.
At least oracle doesn't have many parameters.
More diagnostic tools.
More is better? Let's see some specific examples.
errpt, diag
syslog, DTrace.
The hardware breaks less often.
All hardware breaks eventually.
We had a Sun motherboard break within 3 months after delivery.
Sun hardware has been very reliable for us. Solaris also runs on x86 systems
so you have choices from many vendors other than Sun. |
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hpuxrac
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:41 pm Post subject:
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Sybrand Bakker wrote:
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better management tools
For example ... what exactly?
Smit: System Management InTerface. And there is smitty for non-X
access. As far as I know the equivalent Solaris tool is limited
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You said tools. Now you named one. Which equivalent tool are you
trying to compare?
Try setting up and running solaris 10 and you will probably get a
better idea of the management tools available. Wish I could try the
same thing with AIX but I don't think it is very portable across many
hardware platforms.
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Less parameters to tune
No need to tune semaphore parameters and the like.
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Sounds like you don't have relevant experience with current release of
solaris. This has changed.
| Quote: | More diagnostic tools.
More is better? Let's see some specific examples.
errpt, diag
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Solaris has dtrace and many others. What exact functionality do you
claim that AIX has that solaris doesn't in the diagnostic tools?
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The hardware breaks less often.
All hardware breaks eventually.
We had a Sun motherboard break within 3 months after delivery.
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Ok so your broad generalization that "the hardware breaks less often"
is backed up by your specific experiences with ONE system?
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I don't know anything about IBM support, but I do know Sun support in
the Netherlands sucks. One of our customers is having issues with Sun
on their support contract for years.
OK so you just posted some stuff about AIX but now you don't know
anything about IBM support?
I never needed IBM support, as the system never broke down.
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Did you say "the system"? ONE system? That's a little weak.
I have worked in the past at IBM installations where we staffed an IBM
hardware support person 40 hours a week.
All the vendors both hardware and software seem to be sliding on the
quality of support services. |
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