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racman
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject:
Solaris vs AIX
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I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss AIX, I think it works very well with specific databases,
storage and apps. What does Solaris work well with and why? Thoughts
please!
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squeakymaus@gmail.com
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Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | From my (granted limited) experience, Solaris is great for running
Oracle and PostGres databases, large web applications (such as those |
that run from servlet engines) and scientific computing. Additionally,
because it scales transparently, moving from desktop to server to
mainframe-class is a lot simpler than on other platforms. Additionally,
with N1 grid computing and Zones, servers can be completely virtualized
and pools of resources can be carved up and allocated as needed. Oh,
and because Sun designed the most commonly used NOS (yp/NIS/NISplus &
NFS), they are sort of the experts at it.
racman wrote:
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
Can everyone share your thoughts. Keep in mind that I`m not looking
to dismiss AIX, I think it works very well with specific databases,
storage and apps. What does Solaris work well with and why? Thoughts
please!
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Huge
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Solaris vs AIX
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On 2006-07-20, racman <arubin@mfs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
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Anything that lacks the ODM is an improvement on AIX.
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"Other people are not your property."
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Rich Teer
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject:
Re: Solaris vs AIX
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, racman wrote:
Please learn to cross-post, rather than multi-posting.
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
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Solaris runs on SPARC and x86 now, with other archtectures in the
works. AIX runs only on IBM's proprietory HW.
AIX's market penatration is small comapred to Solaris, so the latter
most likely has more 3rd party app support.
Solaris is open source, AIX is not.
I could go on, but suffice to say that I think that except for a few
exceptions, anyone chosing AIX over Solaris needs their heads examined.
--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member
President,
Rite Online Inc.
Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich |
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aryzhov@spasu.net
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Joined: 17 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I could go on, but suffice to say that I think that except for a few
exceptions, anyone chosing AIX over Solaris needs their heads examined.
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Well that's a techies view, and I fully agree with it.
There are, however, other views that techies would not understand,
"not because our understanding is limited, but because some things
are not part of it" :-)
I've got some irrational feeling, that AIX is closer to mainframes,
not necessarily technically, but maybe historically, ideologically
(read: religiously), and therefore AIX's market share is still closer
to "monsters". Monsters attract monsters. Huge banks, for instance,
happily run Solaris in front- and mid-office, but for a very deep
backend where mainframes still rule, AIX stands just next to them.
Even though Solaris can do the same faster and cheaper, who cares.
It's not the the sort of money the big players count, really.
So, the biggest advantage of AIX is the level of penetration into
top-level managers brains.
To give AIX some technical credit, its host virtualization scheme
seems more advanced to me than Solaris zones. You can assingn a 0.07%
of a real CPU to a virtual machine. Yes these MVS tricks are now
sort of available on kids home PCs, but they are still toys there.
Host virtusalization is known to IBM since decades, and managers
don't really care that it's since few years only on UNIX.
What's UNIX, anyway? Is it still IBM? :-)
AIX would look funny on embedded devices. Or, imagine an AIX
firewall on blade hardware with uptime of 500 days. Nonsence.
There's even no buit-in firewall - stateless packet filter from IPSec
fileset is still a joke in AIX 5.3. But again, who needs a firewall on
AIX?
AIX is for OLTP, DWH. And it's still good in it.
Solaris may be better in both low-end and high-end (near-mainframe)
markets. But don't expect the technical excellence only
to be deciding factor in conquering them, especially the high-end one.
Solaris still counts in years, IBM customers count in decades  |
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Gerry Sinkiewicz
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Joined: 12 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:
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"Rich Teer" <rich.teer@rite-group.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.4.64.0607200923590.17746@marrakesh...
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, racman wrote:
Please learn to cross-post, rather than multi-posting.
I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
Solaris runs on SPARC and x86 now, with other archtectures in the
works. AIX runs only on IBM's proprietory HW.
AIX's market penatration is small comapred to Solaris, so the latter
most likely has more 3rd party app support.
Solaris is open source, AIX is not.
I could go on, but suffice to say that I think that except for a few
exceptions, anyone chosing AIX over Solaris needs their heads examined.
--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member
President,
Rite Online Inc.
Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich
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I agree with you about the visit to the head doctors.
Some managers need to think of business as its just business, not personal. |
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Richard B. Gilbert
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject:
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aryzhov@spasu.net wrote:
| Quote: | I could go on, but suffice to say that I think that except for a few
exceptions, anyone chosing AIX over Solaris needs their heads examined.
Well that's a techies view, and I fully agree with it.
There are, however, other views that techies would not understand,
"not because our understanding is limited, but because some things
are not part of it" :-)
I've got some irrational feeling, that AIX is closer to mainframes,
not necessarily technically, but maybe historically, ideologically
(read: religiously), and therefore AIX's market share is still closer
to "monsters". Monsters attract monsters. Huge banks, for instance,
happily run Solaris in front- and mid-office, but for a very deep
backend where mainframes still rule, AIX stands just next to them.
Even though Solaris can do the same faster and cheaper, who cares.
It's not the the sort of money the big players count, really.
So, the biggest advantage of AIX is the level of penetration into
top-level managers brains.
To give AIX some technical credit, its host virtualization scheme
seems more advanced to me than Solaris zones. You can assingn a 0.07%
of a real CPU to a virtual machine. Yes these MVS tricks are now
sort of available on kids home PCs, but they are still toys there.
Host virtusalization is known to IBM since decades, and managers
don't really care that it's since few years only on UNIX.
What's UNIX, anyway? Is it still IBM? :-)
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and "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM"  |
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Lion-O
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
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In simple terms also fully understood by management: AIX is clinging to the
past while Solaris is keeping track of current and future events at your own
pase.
Where Solaris introduced quite extensive developments like ZFS which, when used
right, can have a major impact on TCO AIX simply kept strawling about. So where
you simply kept going on AIX you were offered new choices on Solaris.
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Groetjes, Peter
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Rich Teer
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Solaris vs AIX
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
| Quote: | and "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM"
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They would here!
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Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member
President,
Rite Online Inc.
Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich |
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Andrew Gabriel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Solaris vs AIX
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In article <slrnebvpuj.4jp.nosp@linux.intranet.lan>,
Lion-O <nosp@m.catslair.org> writes:
| Quote: | I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
In simple terms also fully understood by management: AIX is clinging to the
past while Solaris is keeping track of current and future events at your own
pase.
Where Solaris introduced quite extensive developments like ZFS which, when used
right, can have a major impact on TCO AIX simply kept strawling about. So where
you simply kept going on AIX you were offered new choices on Solaris.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but businesses don't choose platforms
on this sort of basis, and certainly don't see AIX as clinging to
the past. ZFS is far too new to be influencing buying large systems
yet, and probably will be until Solaris 11 at the earliest (assuming
it's released at least 3 years after Solaris 10 GA). Big businesses
also don't like large changes, and Solaris 10 had quite a number.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm a big fan of Solaris, but what sells an
OS (or rather a System) is rarely a list of all the latest and
greatest features added by the techies. (I'm really not sure that
Sun understands this at all.)
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Andrew Gabriel |
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John L
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 17 Mar 2005
Posts: 191
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:26 am Post subject:
Re: Solaris vs AIX
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"Andrew Gabriel" <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:44c0041b$0$773$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
| Quote: | In article <slrnebvpuj.4jp.nosp@linux.intranet.lan>,
Lion-O <nosp@m.catslair.org> writes:
I need to give a presentation on the benefits of Solaris vs AIX.
In simple terms also fully understood by management: AIX is clinging to the
past while Solaris is keeping track of current and future events at your own
pase.
Where Solaris introduced quite extensive developments like ZFS which, when used
right, can have a major impact on TCO AIX simply kept strawling about. So where
you simply kept going on AIX you were offered new choices on Solaris.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but businesses don't choose platforms
on this sort of basis, and certainly don't see AIX as clinging to
the past. ZFS is far too new to be influencing buying large systems
yet, and probably will be until Solaris 11 at the earliest (assuming
it's released at least 3 years after Solaris 10 GA). Big businesses
also don't like large changes, and Solaris 10 had quite a number.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm a big fan of Solaris, but what sells an
OS (or rather a System) is rarely a list of all the latest and
greatest features added by the techies. (I'm really not sure that
Sun understands this at all.)
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Indeed. Businesses want stability and evolution not revolution.
The "enterprise linux" vendors have caught on to this and
now the whole point of something like RHEL is that it doesn't
change every five minutes (though it would be nice if RedHat
updated the documentation when software changes are admitted).
Another calculated (we hope!) marketing risk taken by Sun is
that the costs for a business moving from Solaris 8 or 9
to Solaris 10 are now similar to those of moving to AIX or
HP/UX: staff will need to be retrained, new features tested
and documentation and run books rewritten. Sun are throwing
away their vendor lock-in.
Don't get me wrong, I think people need Solaris in order to
cross the road safely but we must distinguish between those
new features of Solaris 10 that produce gain without pain,
like the new tcp/ip stack and perhaps DTrace for development
houses, and those like SMF and zones where the opposite
may be the case; ZFS too, where businesses currently use SVM
or VxVM, perhaps with VxFS.
We have hundreds of Suns running Solaris 8 or 9 but a mere
handful running Solaris 10 and those are not using the "voluntary"
new features. There is no great pressure to upgrade, and none
is being exerted by the large, commercial third-party enterprise
software vendors.
And the idea that our customer groups are ready to scrap their
existing small and mid-range servers, and pool their budgets
(or cede their budgets to other groups) in order to live in zones
and containers on large servers is laughable. Even if it saved
money overall (which is doubtful owing to the ancillary costs of
change) internal company politics rule it out in most organisations.
To bring this back to the OP, it is just possible that some of the new
features may have been inspired by close study of IBM manuals,
in search of the large server market. Sun also show signs of
wanting to follow IBM into the consultancy market.
For the OP's presentation, Sun have documents on migrating from
AIX to Solaris, while IBM publish documents on moving the other way.
(Oh, and fwiw my view is that Sun have the better systems but IBM's
manuals are often clearer.)
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Lion-O
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Solaris vs AIX
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| Quote: | In simple terms also fully understood by management: AIX is clinging to the
past while Solaris is keeping track of current and future events at your own
pase.
Where Solaris introduced quite extensive developments like ZFS which, when
used right, can have a major impact on TCO AIX simply kept strawling about.
So where you simply kept going on AIX you were offered new choices on
Solaris.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but businesses don't choose platforms on this
sort of basis, and certainly don't see AIX as clinging to the past.
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Hence the "at your own pase". Like it or not but there will always come a time
when there is need for expansion or change, one way or the other, and when that
moment comes its good to know *up front* that the OS you're working with is
still actively being supported and developed so that it will also be able to
satisfy future needs.
And this where Solaris comes in; it can satisfy both ends of the medal.
--
Groetjes, Peter
..\\ PGP/GPG key: http://www.catslair.org/pubkey.asc |
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