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Pawel
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 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject:
Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Hallo
This fact seems quite strange to me.
Some details:
I do not play games, I mainly watch movies that are avi 8Mbps files with 50 fps. On built in 815 intel graphics card They are played a little bit too slow and on radeon 9200 they are even a bit slower. This is very strange to me.
I think that HD is not a problem:
hdparm -t /dev/hdc tells that drive speed is 30MB/s so it is far enough for those movies.
Machine: PIII 1Ghz, built in graphics card intel 815 that takes 64 MB memory if it is enabled.
I am running FC5 with standard ATI drivers that are in that distribution. It's glxinfo tool claims that DRI support is enabled for radeon 9200.
My question is which way to go to improove performance of the graphics card.
What do You think about installing proprietary radeon drivers from AVI web site?
Are there any other ways to improove its performance?
Greetings
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Henrik Carlqvist
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | I do not play games, I mainly watch movies that are avi 8Mbps files with
50 fps. On built in 815 intel graphics card They are played a little bit
too slow and on radeon 9200 they are even a bit slower. This is very
strange to me.
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What program are you using to play the movies? What method does the
program use to display the video?
| Quote: | I am running FC5 with standard ATI drivers that are in that
distribution. It's glxinfo tool claims that DRI support is enabled for
radeon 9200.
My question is which way to go to improove performance of the graphics
card. What do You think about installing proprietary radeon drivers from
AVI web site? Are there any other ways to improove its performance?
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I use the opensource drivers from X.org with my Radeon 9200 and have no
problem watching avi or mpeg files. I usually use mplayer to watch the
files. I also have DRI enabled and mplayer works fine with the gl output
driver (-vo gl), mplayer seems not to work so well with the gl2 output
driver for me (-vo gl2). However, the best results is with the xv output
driver (-vo xv). This is alot faster than the x11 output driver.
Are you using the xv output driver? What does xvinfo say on your system?
It was a long time since I tried the binary ATI driver, but if I remember
right it did work worse not only for 3D but also for xvideo.
regards Henrik
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Pawel
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:45 am Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Hallo Henrik
Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> writes:
| Quote: | Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
I do not play games, I mainly watch movies that are avi 8Mbps files with
50 fps. On built in 815 intel graphics card They are played a little bit
too slow and on radeon 9200 they are even a bit slower. This is very
strange to me.
What program are you using to play the movies? What method does the
program use to display the video?
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I use mplayer with direct rendering enabled and -vo xv. DRI is enabled
for Radeon 9200.
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I am running FC5 with standard ATI drivers that are in that
distribution. It's glxinfo tool claims that DRI support is enabled for
radeon 9200.
My question is which way to go to improove performance of the graphics
card. What do You think about installing proprietary radeon drivers from
AVI web site? Are there any other ways to improove its performance?
I use the opensource drivers from X.org with my Radeon 9200 and have no
problem watching avi or mpeg files. I usually use mplayer to watch the
files. I also have DRI enabled and mplayer works fine with the gl output
driver (-vo gl), mplayer seems not to work so well with the gl2 output
driver for me (-vo gl2). However, the best results is with the xv output
driver (-vo xv). This is alot faster than the x11 output driver.
Are you using the xv output driver? What does xvinfo say on your system?
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Yes I use xv output driver.
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It was a long time since I tried the binary ATI driver, but if I remember
right it did work worse not only for 3D but also for xvideo.
regards Henrik
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I wonder about recompiling mplayer to i686, maybe this will help.
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Henrik Carlqvist
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:59 am Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | I wonder about recompiling mplayer to i686, maybe this will help.
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When compiling mplayer usually you don't have to tell any configure script
which platform you shall optimize for. Mplayer does a rather good job in
automatically detecting your current platform and optimize the compilation
for that platform. The drawback of this is that you can't use this
compiled mplayer on another machine with an older CPU.
I have some more suggestions about your 9200 card. I have optimized the
performance of my card with the following in xorg.conf:
Section "Device"
Identifier "Powercolor Radeon 9200"
Driver "radeon"
#VideoRam 262144
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
Option "AGPMode" "4"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
EndSection
Note the option lines with AGPMode and EnablePageFlip. I have X.org 6.8
which didn't support AGPMode faster than 4. If you have a more recent
X.org you might want to try to set AGPMode to 8 instead.
regards Henrik
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Pawel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:36 am Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Hallo Henrik
Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> writes:
| Quote: | Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
I wonder about recompiling mplayer to i686, maybe this will help.
When compiling mplayer usually you don't have to tell any configure script
which platform you shall optimize for. Mplayer does a rather good job in
automatically detecting your current platform and optimize the compilation
for that platform. The drawback of this is that you can't use this
compiled mplayer on another machine with an older CPU.
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I realize that. On the other hand I am using FC5 and there is a page
http://rpm.greysector.net/mplayer that has ready to use mplayer rpm binaries.
They are built for i386. There is also possibility of rebuilding it with
customized options (rebuild info on that page). The only thing I consider
is to change target option. This way I would have universal (it, is, i386)
version on their page while my build would be tergetted to i686.
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I have some more suggestions about your 9200 card. I have optimized the
performance of my card with the following in xorg.conf:
Section "Device"
Identifier "Powercolor Radeon 9200"
Driver "radeon"
#VideoRam 262144
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
Option "AGPMode" "4"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
EndSection
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I did as You suggested, both with 4 and 8 mode option. No change
unfortunatelly.
the result of xvinfo is the following:
prompt# xvinfo
X-Video Extension version 2.2
screen #0
Adaptor #0: "ATI Radeon Video Overlay"
number of ports: 1
port base: 73
operations supported: PutImage
supported visuals:
depth 16, visualID 0x23
depth 16, visualID 0x24
depth 16, visualID 0x25
depth 16, visualID 0x26
depth 16, visualID 0x27
depth 16, visualID 0x28
depth 16, visualID 0x29
depth 16, visualID 0x2a
depth 16, visualID 0x2b
depth 16, visualID 0x2c
depth 16, visualID 0x2d
depth 16, visualID 0x2e
depth 16, visualID 0x2f
depth 16, visualID 0x30
depth 16, visualID 0x31
depth 16, visualID 0x32
number of attributes: 22
"XV_DEVICE_ID" (range 0 to -1)
client gettable attribute (current value is 493)
"XV_LOCATION_ID" (range 0 to -1)
client gettable attribute (current value is 494)
"XV_INSTANCE_ID" (range 0 to -1)
client gettable attribute (current value is 495)
"XV_DUMP_STATUS" (range 0 to 1)
client settable attribute
"XV_SET_DEFAULTS" (range 0 to 1)
client settable attribute
"XV_AUTOPAINT_COLORKEY" (range 0 to 1)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_COLORKEY" (range 0 to -1)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 30)
"XV_DOUBLE_BUFFER" (range 0 to 1)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 1)
"XV_OVERLAY_ALPHA" (range 0 to 255)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 255)
"XV_GRAPHICS_ALPHA" (range 0 to 255)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 255)
"XV_ALPHA_MODE" (range 0 to 1)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_BRIGHTNESS" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_CONTRAST" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_SATURATION" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_COLOR" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_HUE" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_RED_INTENSITY" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_GREEN_INTENSITY" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_BLUE_INTENSITY" (range -1000 to 1000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_SWITCHCRT" (range 0 to 1)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
"XV_GAMMA" (range 100 to 10000)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 1000)
"XV_COLORSPACE" (range 0 to 1)
client settable attribute
client gettable attribute (current value is 0)
maximum XvImage size: 2048 x 2048
Number of image formats: 8
id: 0x41424752 (RGBA)
guid: 52474241-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 32
number of planes: 1
type: RGB (packed)
depth: 32
red, green, blue masks: 0xff0000, 0xff00, 0xff
id: 0x0
guid: 52474200-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 24
number of planes: 1
type: RGB (packed)
depth: 24
red, green, blue masks: 0xff0000, 0xff00, 0xff
id: 0x54424752 (RGBT)
guid: 52474254-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 16
number of planes: 1
type: RGB (packed)
depth: 16
red, green, blue masks: 0x7c00, 0x3e0, 0x1f
id: 0x32424752 (RGB2)
guid: 52474200-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 16
number of planes: 1
type: RGB (packed)
depth: 16
red, green, blue masks: 0xf800, 0x7e0, 0x1f
id: 0x32595559 (YUY2)
guid: 59555932-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 16
number of planes: 1
type: YUV (packed)
id: 0x59565955 (UYVY)
guid: 55595659-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 16
number of planes: 1
type: YUV (packed)
id: 0x32315659 (YV12)
guid: 59563132-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 12
number of planes: 3
type: YUV (planar)
id: 0x30323449 (I420)
guid: 49343230-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71
bits per pixel: 12
number of planes: 3
type: YUV (planar)
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Note the option lines with AGPMode and EnablePageFlip. I have X.org 6.8
which didn't support AGPMode faster than 4. If you have a more recent
X.org you might want to try to set AGPMode to 8 instead.
regards Henrik
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Henrik Carlqvist
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:00 am Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | http://rpm.greysector.net/mplayer that has ready to use mplayer rpm binaries.
They are built for i386.
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If so it might be worth a try to rebuild from source to get better
performance. On the other hand, I suppose that you did use the same
mplayer for i386 with the 815 graphics?
How much slower is the 9200 and how did you measure this? Did you check
how much CPU is consumed with top while mplayer is running?
| Quote: | Section "Device"
Identifier "Powercolor Radeon 9200"
Driver "radeon"
#VideoRam 262144
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
Option "AGPMode" "4"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
EndSection
I did as You suggested, both with 4 and 8 mode option. No change
unfortunatelly.
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Strange, that should speed graphics up, not only 3D. Did you restart X
after editing xorg.conf?
| Quote: | the result of xvinfo is the following:
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Your results looks similar to what I get from xvinfo.
regards Henrik
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Pawel
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:57 am Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Hallo Henrik
Henrik Carlqvist <Henrik.Carlqvist@deadspam.com> writes:
| Quote: | Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
http://rpm.greysector.net/mplayer that has ready to use mplayer rpm binaries.
They are built for i386.
If so it might be worth a try to rebuild from source to get better
performance. On the other hand, I suppose that you did use the same
mplayer for i386 with the 815 graphics?
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I use the same binary (i386) on both the cards. You are right, R9200 should
be faster anyway
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How much slower is the 9200 and how did you measure this? Did you check
how much CPU is consumed with top while mplayer is running?
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It is empirical impression, no technical comparisons.
The movies I am checking the performance on are 50fps (8mbps stream).
On another machine (P IV, 2,4 GHZ), they are displayed very fluent
(because of 50fps), while on my home machine (P III 1Ghz, 256 RAM) an built
in intel 815, the motion is not so fluent. When using R9200, motion is even
worse. Empirically, I would say 10 % worse, than built in card. Performance
of HD can be omitted, because when playing back movie 2 times in the row,
whole the second play goes from cache, with no HD interaction.
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Section "Device"
Identifier "Powercolor Radeon 9200"
Driver "radeon"
#VideoRam 262144
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
Option "AGPMode" "4"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
EndSection
I did as You suggested, both with 4 and 8 mode option. No change
unfortunatelly.
Strange, that should speed graphics up, not only 3D. Did you restart X
after editing xorg.conf?
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I logged out, and logged in. X server is restarted when logging out
(I hope, I am right).
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the result of xvinfo is the following:
Your results looks similar to what I get from xvinfo.
regards Henrik
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Henrik Carlqvist
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | How much slower is the 9200 and how did you measure this? Did you check
how much CPU is consumed with top while mplayer is running?
It is empirical impression, no technical comparisons.
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With top you could see how much CPU mplayer is consuming. If it consumes
100% cpu it needs to be speeded up. Also, mplayer usually warns if your
system is to slow to play an avi file. If you want to se what that warning
looks like you can probably try -vo x11.
| Quote: | The movies I am checking the performance on are 50fps (8mbps stream).
On another machine (P IV, 2,4 GHZ), they are displayed very fluent
(because of 50fps), while on my home machine (P III 1Ghz, 256 RAM) an
built in intel 815, the motion is not so fluent. When using R9200,
motion is even worse. Empirically, I would say 10 % worse, than built in
card. Performance of HD can be omitted, because when playing back movie
2 times in the row, whole the second play goes from cache, with no HD
interaction.
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If for some reason the xv driver isn't fast enough you could also try the
-vo gl driver as you have DRI working.
| Quote: | Section "Device"
Identifier "Powercolor Radeon 9200"
Driver "radeon"
#VideoRam 262144
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate Option "AGPMode"
"4"
Option "EnablePageFlip" "on"
EndSection
I did as You suggested, both with 4 and 8 mode option. No change
unfortunatelly.
Strange, that should speed graphics up, not only 3D. Did you restart X
after editing xorg.conf?
I logged out, and logged in. X server is restarted when logging out (I
hope, I am right).
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I'm not so sure that X is really restarted when logging out. You can
verify which AGP mode you are using by looking at the log file from X:
fgrep AGP /var/log/Xorg.0.log
Among other lines I see the following:
(--) Chipset ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP) found
(**) RADEON(0): Option "AGPMode" "4"
(--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon 9200 5961 (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x5961)
(II) RADEON(0): AGP card detected
(**) RADEON(0): Using AGP 4x mode
(II) RADEON(0): AGP Fast Write disabled by default
(II) RADEON(0): [agp] Mode 0x1f004a0f [AGP 0x8086/0x2578; Card 0x1002/0x5961]
Above I can verify that it has read my option AGPMode 4 and that it also
really is using 4x AGP. However, as your motherboard is an old PIII
motherboard it is probably not capable of AGP 8 and maybe not even AGP 4.
You might have to try AGP 2 instead. Try different settings to xorg.conf
and check how they worked by studying the log file. On my Slackware system
the log file is called /var/log/Xorg.0.log, on your FC system it might be
called something else.
If X isn't restarted only after a logout (and I don't think it is) you can
probably force a restart by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace.
regards Henrik
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Henrik Carlqvist
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:07 am Post subject:
Re: Radeon 9200 is slower than on-board intel 815 graphic card
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Pawel <null7@wp.pl> wrote:
| Quote: | You are right, R9200 should be faster anyway
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I hope that you will be able to get your R9200 up to speed. Today I will
go on vacation and will not be able to post messages for some time.
However, I will continue to follow this thread when I get back.
regards Henrik
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