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Malcolm Dew-Jones
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:02 am    Post subject: Q: Designer, forms testing, automation Reply with quote

Oracle Designer 9i 9.0.4.5.6

I'm not too familiar with all the capabilities of Designer yet. I am
wondering if I should be looking for things in Designer that help to test
the forms that are generated. The Designer generated forms obviously
works as designed, but the question is whether the details of the design
produce forms that interact the way the user expects, and then whether the
form still works that way after making various changes.

Along the same line, if anyone has suggestions for the best way to
automate the testing of an Oracle .fmb/.fmx then I would appreciate
hearing about it.

Links to anything useful would also be appreciated.

Thanks.
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psoug
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Q: Designer, forms testing, automation Reply with quote

Malcolm Dew-Jones wrote:
Quote:
Oracle Designer 9i 9.0.4.5.6

I'm not too familiar with all the capabilities of Designer yet. I am
wondering if I should be looking for things in Designer that help to test
the forms that are generated. The Designer generated forms obviously
works as designed, but the question is whether the details of the design
produce forms that interact the way the user expects, and then whether the
form still works that way after making various changes.

Along the same line, if anyone has suggestions for the best way to
automate the testing of an Oracle .fmb/.fmx then I would appreciate
hearing about it.

Links to anything useful would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

I personally think of Designer as one of the worst places to build and
test forms. And the forms it creates are no picnic either.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org
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frank.van.bortel@gmail.co
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Q: Designer, forms testing, automation Reply with quote

DA Morgan schreef:
Quote:

I personally think of Designer as one of the worst places to build and
test forms.

I will disagree with you on the builing part. Personally
speaking, of course :)

But back on-topic: no there is no way to automate testing forms
from Designer.
No way of automating testing GUI's at all, I'd say, especially
if the end users have a say in it. And that is particulary
true in generated GUI's of any kind: "Euw, I'd rather like
that box in mauve, and three pixels to the right".
Been there, fought that battle - lost some...

There is no way to automate what the end user "likes" - it's
like taste. De gustibus non est disputandum.
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Frank van Bortel

Top-posting is one way to shut me up...
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Malcolm Dew-Jones
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Q: Designer, forms testing, automation Reply with quote

Frank van Bortel (frank.van.bortel@gmail.com) wrote:
: DA Morgan schreef:
: >
: > I personally think of Designer as one of the worst places to build and
: > test forms.

: I will disagree with you on the builing part. Personally
: speaking, of course :)

There are lots of forms, they all work reliably relative to the
definitions of what's in each form, so Designer seems "good enough" for
all I care here.

And no, the user in this case doesn't get much say in whether a box is
mauve or not (suitably amused) - if a field is on the form, has the right
length, etc etc, then it's good enough for the user to be able to do their
job, that's all that counts here.

The data has lots of constraints on what is allowed and who can do what to
it, often depending on the values of the various fields. For example,
which details can be modified about an item might depend on the contract
with the facility that is storing the item, and what roles the user has,
and what time of day it is.

The code for that is all in designer as a series of constraints.
Designer copies it all into the various forms, all is well, but are the
correct rules then in the correct place in all the forms? and do the rules
all interact correctly?

It ought to be feasible to pull out all the code into a format that could
be tested in some kind of batch mode, and then have reams of test cases
that call the constraint code just like it would be called in the form, or
maybe create a routine in the form to push values into the fields and then
fire the triggers, or something. I will likely come up with that
something over time, but first I thought I'd check for what existed.
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frank.van.bortel@gmail.co
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Q: Designer, forms testing, automation Reply with quote

Malcolm Dew-Jones schreef:
Quote:
Frank van Bortel (frank.van.bortel@gmail.com) wrote:
: DA Morgan schreef:
:
: > I personally think of Designer as one of the worst places to build and
: > test forms.

: I will disagree with you on the builing part. Personally
: speaking, of course :)

There are lots of forms, they all work reliably relative to the
definitions of what's in each form, so Designer seems "good enough" for
all I care here.

And no, the user in this case doesn't get much say in whether a box is
mauve or not (suitably amused) - if a field is on the form, has the right
length, etc etc, then it's good enough for the user to be able to do their
job, that's all that counts here.

The data has lots of constraints on what is allowed and who can do what to
it, often depending on the values of the various fields. For example,
which details can be modified about an item might depend on the contract
with the facility that is storing the item, and what roles the user has,
and what time of day it is.

The code for that is all in designer as a series of constraints.
Designer copies it all into the various forms, all is well, but are the
correct rules then in the correct place in all the forms? and do the rules
all interact correctly?

It ought to be feasible to pull out all the code into a format that could
be tested in some kind of batch mode, and then have reams of test cases
that call the constraint code just like it would be called in the form, or
maybe create a routine in the form to push values into the fields and then
fire the triggers, or something. I will likely come up with that
something over time, but first I thought I'd check for what existed.

Hmmm... interesting scenario - not to use after 5 o'clock then?

Not while possibly intoxicated?
Back ot: all the tools I know of are (-quite expensive!-) gui
simulators that will simulate mouse and keyboard actions, and
possibly capture the results.
That would firstly give you the possibility to set up (repeatable)
test cases, and secondly the possibility to log the results.

Checking whether these results are acceptable is yet another
chapter - never done that, just witnessed this tool stress testing
a (web based) set of forms by simulating up to 250 simultaneous
users.
We did not really care about the results, just in response times.

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Regards,
Frank van Bortel

Top-posting is one way to shut me up...
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Sybrand Bakker
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Q: Designer, forms testing, automation Reply with quote

On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:52:19 +0200, Frank van Bortel
<frank.van.bortel@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
And that is particulary
true in generated GUI's of any kind: "Euw, I'd rather like
that box in mauve, and three pixels to the right".
Been there, fought that battle - lost some...
Had to maintain 2 sets of crt files once (Forms 3.0), because some

end-users didn't like the colors.
And, no, I could have refused, but I would have gotten myself killed.
Don't try to refuse anything to a cattle of female end-users.
They'll lynch you on the spot.

--
Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA
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