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Chris Berry
*nix forums addict
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Posts: 81
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I've been using qmail on Mandrake (now Madriva) for some time and I'm
quite comfortable with it. Due to problems between my hardware vendor
and Mandriva they aren't going to be able to install that on my new
email server. I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if
anyone had some good suggestions. Here is my thinking so far
Avoiding BSDs because I have no experience with them, however good they
are, they're more different from linux than another linux flavor will be.
Avoiding Red Hat, since they seem to be going the whole microsoftish
lockin route, and Fedora doesn't stay the same long enough for what I need.
Not real excited about gentoo since it requires ALOT of compiling, a
weak area for me, I definitely prefer package management when that's
available.
At the moment, I'm looking at Ubuntu, does that seem like a good idea to
you guys, and if not what would you suggest?
This will be a production server for a small company. I'm only asking
here because the prime function of this server is email, it really won't
be doing much else. (Though it does include spam filtering, imap, and
other mail related functions)
Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
--
Chris Berry
chris_berry@jm-associates.com
Information Advisory Manager
JM Associates
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we
don't believe in it at all." --Noam Chomsky |
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Michael Bellears
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 31 Jan 2005
Posts: 23
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject:
RE: New Server
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| Quote: | At the moment, I'm looking at Ubuntu, does that seem like a
good idea to you guys, and if not what would you suggest?
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We have always used Debian, and have never had an issue......package
management is exceptional.
Ubuntu is debian-based, but *appears* to have a faster version release
cycle than Debian - May/May not be of importance to you.
Regards,
MB |
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Jeremy Kitchen
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 14 Jan 2005
Posts: 212
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject:
Re: New Server
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On Wednesday 12 July 2006 15:14, Chris Berry wrote:
| Quote: | [...] I'm looking for a new distro [...]
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[snip]
| Quote: | Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
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slackware.
-Jeremy
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Thomas Raef
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 10 Apr 2006
Posts: 21
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject:
RE: New Server
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Check out CentOS as well. Yum updates and the like make it very
manageable.
IMHO.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Berry [mailto:chris_berry-list-qmail@jm-associates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:14 PM
To: qmail@list.cr.yp.to
Subject: New Server
I've been using qmail on Mandrake (now Madriva) for some time and I'm
quite comfortable with it. Due to problems between my hardware vendor
and Mandriva they aren't going to be able to install that on my new
email server. I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if
anyone had some good suggestions. Here is my thinking so far
Avoiding BSDs because I have no experience with them, however good they
are, they're more different from linux than another linux flavor will
be.
Avoiding Red Hat, since they seem to be going the whole microsoftish
lockin route, and Fedora doesn't stay the same long enough for what I
need.
Not real excited about gentoo since it requires ALOT of compiling, a
weak area for me, I definitely prefer package management when that's
available.
At the moment, I'm looking at Ubuntu, does that seem like a good idea to
you guys, and if not what would you suggest?
This will be a production server for a small company. I'm only asking
here because the prime function of this server is email, it really won't
be doing much else. (Though it does include spam filtering, imap, and
other mail related functions)
Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
--
Chris Berry
chris_berry@jm-associates.com
Information Advisory Manager
JM Associates
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we
don't believe in it at all." --Noam Chomsky |
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Michael
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 28 Mar 2003
Posts: 352
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject:
Re: New Server
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IMO, Ubuntu is what Redhat should have been, in everyone's wildest-good
dreams. We've been using this for months on dozens of boxen with great
results...very easy to work with; have not yet tried 6/6 drake release,
which apparently offers a server version aimed specifically at LAMP.
We've also heard very good things about CentOS, but Ubuntu has huge cash
behind it as well as a space-setting zealot who seems to 'get it.'
Chris Berry wrote:
| Quote: | I've been using qmail on Mandrake (now Madriva) for some time and I'm
quite comfortable with it. Due to problems between my hardware vendor
and Mandriva they aren't going to be able to install that on my new
email server. I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if
anyone had some good suggestions. Here is my thinking so far
Avoiding BSDs because I have no experience with them, however good they
are, they're more different from linux than another linux flavor will be.
Avoiding Red Hat, since they seem to be going the whole microsoftish
lockin route, and Fedora doesn't stay the same long enough for what I need.
Not real excited about gentoo since it requires ALOT of compiling, a
weak area for me, I definitely prefer package management when that's
available.
At the moment, I'm looking at Ubuntu, does that seem like a good idea to
you guys, and if not what would you suggest?
This will be a production server for a small company. I'm only asking
here because the prime function of this server is email, it really won't
be doing much else. (Though it does include spam filtering, imap, and
other mail related functions)
Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
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J. Scott Dorr
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 12 Jul 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:
Re: New Server
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 05:14PM -0500, Chris Berry wrote:
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I've been using qmail on Mandrake (now Madriva) for some time and I'm
quite comfortable with it. Due to problems between my hardware vendor
and Mandriva they aren't going to be able to install that on my new
email server. I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if
anyone had some good suggestions. Here is my thinking so far
Avoiding BSDs because I have no experience with them, however good they
are, they're more different from linux than another linux flavor will
be.
Avoiding Red Hat, since they seem to be going the whole microsoftish
lockin route, and Fedora doesn't stay the same long enough for what I
need.
Not real excited about gentoo since it requires ALOT of compiling, a
weak area for me, I definitely prefer package management when that's
available.
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Just a quick note on gentoo. Yes, there's lots of compilation, but it's
done in the context of the package manager .. you don't actually do the
compiles yourself. gentoo's package management is quite comprehensive,
but to get the most out of it, you do need to do some preliminary setup
that can be non-trivial in some cases. I used gentoo on many boxes for
a while and liked it.
| Quote: | At the moment, I'm looking at Ubuntu, does that seem like a good idea to
you guys, and if not what would you suggest?
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Ah.  I moved from gentoo to ubuntu for a variety of reasons. While
gentoo struck a good balance between package-management and 'hands on',
I found that I just don't have a lot of time for 'hands on'. Ubuntu was
recommended to me by people I respect who indicated it 'just worked'. I
found that be true. It installs easily, is easy to manage, and so far
for me, it has 'just worked'. The package management in ubuntu works
quite well, for my needs. Most people I know that've tried ubuntu, like
ubuntu.
I think you'll do well to go with it.
- scott |
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Sameer N I
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 03 May 2005
Posts: 28
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:42 am Post subject:
Re: New Server
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Chris Berry wrote:
| Quote: | I've been using qmail on Mandrake (now Madriva) for some time and I'm
quite comfortable with it. Due to problems between my hardware vendor
and Mandriva they aren't going to be able to install that on my new
email server. I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if
anyone had some good suggestions. Here is my thinking so far
Avoiding BSDs because I have no experience with them, however good
they are, they're more different from linux than another linux flavor
will be.
Avoiding Red Hat, since they seem to be going the whole microsoftish
lockin route, and Fedora doesn't stay the same long enough for what I
need.
Not real excited about gentoo since it requires ALOT of compiling, a
weak area for me, I definitely prefer package management when that's
available.
At the moment, I'm looking at Ubuntu, does that seem like a good idea
to you guys, and if not what would you suggest?
This will be a production server for a small company. I'm only asking
here because the prime function of this server is email, it really
won't be doing much else. (Though it does include spam filtering,
imap, and other mail related functions)
Debian or Ubuntu is the way to go. With Debian you can manage |
(install/upgrade) packages very easily. Stable. In some cases Ubuntu is
superior where Graphical interface required. Ubuntu is similar to Debian
as it is based on Debian itself. So no extra efforts are required. In
fact one of my recent servers is an Ubuntu installation and I have to
keep in mind while documenting that I am working on Ubuntu and not on
Debian.
| Quote: | Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
Administration is a breeze with Debian and Ubuntu. |
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Richard Feldmann
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Joined: 06 Jun 2005
Posts: 62
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I use slackware for my servers. I just seem to prefer it as it feels like the most unix-like out of all the distros (no fluff!). However, I do use Ubuntu as a workstation and I like it.
Regards,
Richard
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anu bhaskar
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 20
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:22 am Post subject:
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Chris Berry wrote:
| Quote: | I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if anyone had some
good suggestions.
Have a look at Trustix. Lean and mean distro with hardened security, |
easy updates and small footprint. I am running 6 qmail servers in it for
more than 3 years. No problem at all with this OS.
http://trustix.org
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Greetings
Anu Bhaskar |
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Pierluigi Di Lorenzo
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject:
Re: New Server
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anu bhaskar ha scritto:
| Quote: | Chris Berry wrote:
I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if anyone had some
good suggestions.
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I suggest you to install Trustix. RPM based, stable and secure distro.
I'm using from 3 years on 4 email servers without any problems.
Take a look here: http://www.trustix.org
Ciao!
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Pierluigi Di Lorenzo |
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Jos Backus
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 10 Jul 2002
Posts: 15
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject:
Re: New Server
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 05:54:09PM -0500, Thomas Raef wrote:
| Quote: | Check out CentOS as well. Yum updates and the like make it very
manageable.
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We run CentOS. It lags so much in terms of vendor updates it's embarassing.
NOT recommended.
Jos
| Quote: | IMHO.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Berry [mailto:chris_berry-list-qmail@jm-associates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:14 PM
To: qmail@list.cr.yp.to
Subject: New Server
I've been using qmail on Mandrake (now Madriva) for some time and I'm
quite comfortable with it. Due to problems between my hardware vendor
and Mandriva they aren't going to be able to install that on my new
email server. I'm looking for a new distro and I was wondering if
anyone had some good suggestions. Here is my thinking so far
Avoiding BSDs because I have no experience with them, however good they
are, they're more different from linux than another linux flavor will
be.
Avoiding Red Hat, since they seem to be going the whole microsoftish
lockin route, and Fedora doesn't stay the same long enough for what I
need.
Not real excited about gentoo since it requires ALOT of compiling, a
weak area for me, I definitely prefer package management when that's
available.
At the moment, I'm looking at Ubuntu, does that seem like a good idea to
you guys, and if not what would you suggest?
This will be a production server for a small company. I'm only asking
here because the prime function of this server is email, it really won't
be doing much else. (Though it does include spam filtering, imap, and
other mail related functions)
Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
--
Chris Berry
chris_berry@jm-associates.com
Information Advisory Manager
JM Associates
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we
don't believe in it at all." --Noam Chomsky
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Amitai Schlair
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Posts: 14
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject:
Re: New Server
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Jeremy Kitchen wrote:
| Quote: | On Wednesday 12 July 2006 15:14, Chris Berry wrote:
[...] I'm looking for a new distro [...]
[snip]
Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
slackware.
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What one considers easy to set up and administer is a matter of
experience and taste, among other things. We can all make pronouncements
(personally, I don't see how any of you could possibly have been
serious!), but unless they include reasons why they're well- or
ill-suited for qmail, this is not the place to make them.
- Amitai |
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Jeremy Kitchen
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 14 Jan 2005
Posts: 212
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| Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject:
Re: New Server
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On Thursday 13 July 2006 13:34, you wrote:
| Quote: | Jeremy Kitchen wrote:
On Wednesday 12 July 2006 15:14, Chris Berry wrote:
[...] I'm looking for a new distro [...]
[snip]
Mainly I'm looking for ease of setup/administration, and stability.
slackware.
What one considers easy to set up and administer is a matter of
experience and taste, among other things. We can all make pronouncements
(personally, I don't see how any of you could possibly have been
serious!), but unless they include reasons why they're well- or
ill-suited for qmail, this is not the place to make them.
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ok then :)
I'm a Gentoo user. All of my machines running linux run Gentoo. However! If
I were going to set up a qmail box in a "set it and forget it" (tm) type of
setup, I'd go with Slackware. Mostly because I can get a *really*
lightweight installation in a short amount of time, and because Slackware's
package management system doesn't get in your way if you've installed some
things manually.
If I needed a machine for other server-side things, I'd probably go with
Gentoo or RH/Fedora. Gentoo if I'm doing some perl stuff (g-cpan rules) and
RH/Fedora if I'm not. I really like RPMs, but I don't feel like spending the
time writing spec files for perl modules when I can simply 'g-cpan' to
install them. Sure, I could use perl's own CPAN, but I haven't mastered the
art of using it quite yet, so currently deploying modules and updating and
such is a royal PITA.
Note that I'm not saying other distros are bad. I have the most experience
with Redhat, Slackware and Gentoo, and for now, those are the 3 I stick to.
I do plan on checking out SLED though, for that nifty XGL stuff and the new
gnome menu ;)
oh and while I'm at it :)
vim > emacs
kde > gnome
less > more
linux > BSD
(oh no he didn't!)
and I'll say linux, thank you very much!
Let the flames begin! ;)
-Jeremy
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Chris Berry
*nix forums addict
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:06 am Post subject:
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Jeremy Kitchen wrote:
| Quote: | Note that I'm not saying other distros are bad. I have the most experience
with Redhat, Slackware and Gentoo, and for now, those are the 3 I stick to.
I do plan on checking out SLED though, for that nifty XGL stuff and the new
gnome menu 
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Thanks to everyone for the input. Nearly everyone on this list and on
my LUG list recommended centOS or a debian based distro. I've decided
to go with kubuntu lts (their long term server version). I'll keep you
posted if anything interesting to report develops.
--
Chris Berry
chris_berry@jm-associates.com
Information Advisory Manager
JM Associates
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we
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