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Tollef Fog Heen
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 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:10 am Post subject:
Re: what is /.udev for ?
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* Lucas de Sousa
| Assuming that is unclean installation junk.
Assume makes an ass of u an' me.
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Peter Samuelson
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:30 am Post subject:
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[Tollef Fog Heen]
| Quote: | Assume makes an ass of u an' me.
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Why do people keep circulating this saying? It makes no sense.
Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person
who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me". And even then, it's
not like you could get very far in life without making any assumptions,
so at best even that part is only sometimes true. Is the trick of
splitting a word into 3 words (one of which isn't spelled correctly
anyway) really considered clever enough to be funny when it yields
nonsense? |
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Tollef Fog Heen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:20 pm Post subject:
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* Peter Samuelson
| [Tollef Fog Heen]
| > Assume makes an ass of u an' me.
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| Why do people keep circulating this saying? It makes no sense.
| Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person
| who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me". And even then, it's
| not like you could get very far in life without making any assumptions,
| so at best even that part is only sometimes true.
It's assuming without actually checking first. «This looks like junk,
so I'll just rm -rf it» rather than «this looks like junk -- uhm.
*think*. google around a bit and then removing it the right way.»
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Lucas de Sousa
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Joined: 09 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject:
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On that scenario does not seem a unreasonable action to delete it without
looking. It just 15 minutes to take it back.
I would take more time google'ing it, than reinstaling it.
But you missed my point.
Even the people here that supports the /.dev mount agrees that is not the
right place for it. It does not match the FHS, and it is a bit weird.
I understand that there only a few places to it.
I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default.
But this is for the policy guys to begin long flames about.
Em Seg 14 Fev 2005 11:14, Tollef Fog Heen escreveu:
| Quote: | * Peter Samuelson
| [Tollef Fog Heen]
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| > Assume makes an ass of u an' me.
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| Why do people keep circulating this saying? It makes no sense.
| Normally, assuming only ever has the power to make an ass of the person
| who did the assuming, i.e. "me", not "u and me". And even then, it's
| not like you could get very far in life without making any assumptions,
| so at best even that part is only sometimes true.
It's assuming without actually checking first. «This looks like junk,
so I'll just rm -rf it» rather than «this looks like junk -- uhm.
*think*. google around a bit and then removing it the right way.»
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Marco d'Itri
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Joined: 03 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject:
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On Feb 17, Lucas de Sousa <lu75@floripa.com.br> wrote:
| Quote: | I understand that there only a few places to it.
It /will/ be moved to /dev/.old-dev/dev/ at some point in the future |
(I need to coordinate this with at least the makedev maintainer), but for
a different reason (#294968).
| Quote: | I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default.
No. |
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GOMBAS Gabor
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Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:00 am Post subject:
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On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:04:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
| Quote: | I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default.
No.
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Well, I've just checked and
mount --move /dev /temp-mount-point
mount --bind /dev /where-you-want-it
mount --move /temp-mount-point /dev
works on a live system (modulo bug #282205), so you can leave it
disabled by default and provide a little helper script to turn it on on
request. Of course this is a bad idea as long as 2.4 kernels are
officially supported, so in sarge the default should be "on", and after
sarge the default can be switched to "off".
Gabor
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Tollef Fog Heen
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:40 am Post subject:
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* Lucas de Sousa
| Even the people here that supports the /.dev mount agrees that is not the
| right place for it. It does not match the FHS, and it is a bit weird.
The FHS, like policy, documents current practice. If /.dev catches
on, it'll be in the FHS somehow.
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Ron Johnson
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Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 1190
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 1:00 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:54 +0100, GOMBAS Gabor wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 01:04:34AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
I do believe that the right thing is to be disabled by default.
No.
Well, I've just checked and
mount --move /dev /temp-mount-point
mount --bind /dev /where-you-want-it
mount --move /temp-mount-point /dev
works on a live system (modulo bug #282205), so you can leave it
disabled by default and provide a little helper script to turn it on on
request. Of course this is a bad idea as long as 2.4 kernels are
officially supported, so in sarge the default should be "on", and after
sarge the default can be switched to "off".
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Or do a boot-time check to see which kernel is running?
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