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Dan Jacobson
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 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject:
Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?
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Upon apt-get, is it normal to every so often see "Package xxx has
broken dep on yyy"? However the next day the problem is gone.
If normal, then can't whatever intermediate stage not be split across
the mirror push? Somehow can consistent versions of xxx and yyy
either be made sure to go out this mirror run together, or both wait
for the next run?
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Colin Watson
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?
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On Sun, Feb 13, 2005 at 02:54:26AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
| Quote: | Upon apt-get, is it normal to every so often see "Package xxx has
broken dep on yyy"? However the next day the problem is gone.
If normal, then can't whatever intermediate stage not be split across
the mirror push? Somehow can consistent versions of xxx and yyy
either be made sure to go out this mirror run together, or both wait
for the next run?
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That's the problem that the testing distribution is intended to solve.
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Goswin von Brederlow
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:40 am Post subject:
Re: Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?
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Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org> writes:
| Quote: | Upon apt-get, is it normal to every so often see "Package xxx has
broken dep on yyy"? However the next day the problem is gone.
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Yes.
| Quote: | If normal, then can't whatever intermediate stage not be split across
the mirror push? Somehow can consistent versions of xxx and yyy
either be made sure to go out this mirror run together, or both wait
for the next run?
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No and yes.
There are some packages with a strict version depend (=) between a
arch:any and arch:all package. The maintainers upload will update the
arch:all package to the new version while leaving most archs without
the arch:any package. Some time after the upload the buildd will fill
in the missing arch:any debs but not necessarily before the daily
dinstall run.
Those cases can't be avoided with the current DAK implementation but
they should be. Patches are surely welcome.
Other things are strict versioned depends between different source
packages. Even with a coordinated upload of both source packages the
buildds can (and will often) build them out of order so you see only
one of them for a short while. But those cases should be uncommon and
nothing can be done there. Thats just how unstable works.
MfG
Goswin
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Dan Jacobson
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject:
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Well OK, but please be aware of the cases where a kid leaves his
village for a trip to the big city and his single chance to do an
apt-get dist-upgrade. He can't just try again tomorrow if things
don't work out.
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Santiago Vila
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Dan Jacobson wrote:
| Quote: | Well OK, but please be aware of the cases where a kid leaves his
village for a trip to the big city and his single chance to do an
apt-get dist-upgrade. He can't just try again tomorrow if things
don't work out.
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Unstable is definitely not for people who "can't try again".
Try this if you don't understand:
awk 'NR >= 258 && NR <= 278' /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
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Thomas Bushnell BSG
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:20 am Post subject:
Re: Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?
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Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org> writes:
| Quote: | Well OK, but please be aware of the cases where a kid leaves his
village for a trip to the big city and his single chance to do an
apt-get dist-upgrade. He can't just try again tomorrow if things
don't work out.
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I'm inclined to think that people should not do apt-get dist-upgrade
on unstable.
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Goswin von Brederlow
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:30 am Post subject:
Re: Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?
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Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org> writes:
| Quote: | Well OK, but please be aware of the cases where a kid leaves his
village for a trip to the big city and his single chance to do an
apt-get dist-upgrade. He can't just try again tomorrow if things
don't work out.
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So what? Then they don't have the bleading edge version of the package
but their old non upgrade one. Big deal.
MfG
Goswin
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Thomas Bushnell BSG
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:30 am Post subject:
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Goswin von Brederlow <brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:
| Quote: | Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org> writes:
Well OK, but please be aware of the cases where a kid leaves his
village for a trip to the big city and his single chance to do an
apt-get dist-upgrade. He can't just try again tomorrow if things
don't work out.
So what? Then they don't have the bleading edge version of the package
but their old non upgrade one. Big deal.
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I think the point is that dist-upgrade can sometimes do the Wrong
Thing in cases like this.
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Goswin von Brederlow
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Package xxx has broken dep on yyy: normal?
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Thomas Bushnell BSG <tb@becket.net> writes:
| Quote: | Goswin von Brederlow <brederlo@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes:
Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org> writes:
Well OK, but please be aware of the cases where a kid leaves his
village for a trip to the big city and his single chance to do an
apt-get dist-upgrade. He can't just try again tomorrow if things
don't work out.
So what? Then they don't have the bleading edge version of the package
but their old non upgrade one. Big deal.
I think the point is that dist-upgrade can sometimes do the Wrong
Thing in cases like this.
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As sid user you are supposed to look what apt-get will do before
letting it remove like 500 packages.
No pitty for anyone doing that before leaving town. :)
MfG
Goswin
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