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Gordon Tetlow
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 Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:27 pm Post subject:
MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
-gordon
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Sheldon Hearn
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Joined: 03 May 2002
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:27 pm Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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On (2002/06/19 10:27), Gordon Tetlow wrote:
| Quote: | I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
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Please either strip out the named_rcng stuff or wait until it works.
That part of the work is not really RELENG_4-quality yet.
Ciao,
Sheldon.
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Sheldon Hearn
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Joined: 03 May 2002
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:27 pm Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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On (2002/06/19 10:41), Gordon Tetlow wrote:
| Quote: | I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
Please either strip out the named_rcng stuff or wait until it works.
That part of the work is not really RELENG_4-quality yet.
I'm only MFC'ing one file src/etc/rc.subr. Not the whole shebang. This is
going to be used in case someone is demented enough to write a port that
uses the rc.subr stuff. No one should use it for quite a while, but the
support needs to be in place for people to use it.
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You did actually say that the first time. *blush*
Sorry. :-)
Ciao,
Sheldon.
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Gordon Tetlow
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 5:41 pm Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
| Quote: | On (2002/06/19 10:27), Gordon Tetlow wrote:
I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
Please either strip out the named_rcng stuff or wait until it works.
That part of the work is not really RELENG_4-quality yet.
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I'm only MFC'ing one file src/etc/rc.subr. Not the whole shebang. This is
going to be used in case someone is demented enough to write a port that
uses the rc.subr stuff. No one should use it for quite a while, but the
support needs to be in place for people to use it.
-gordon
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Terry Lambert
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Joined: 19 Mar 2002
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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Doug Barton wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
Personally I think it's way too premature to consider this, before we
actually have things working in -current.
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Since it won't be turned on by default, this should be a
non-problem. Even if it were turned on, it should *still*
not be a problem, until people provide ports rc scripts in
the new format.
I think things *are* working in -current.
The intent, I think, is still to allow ports made for 5.x to
run on 4.7 when/if it becomes available. That's what was
promised, the first half dozen times this issue came up.
-- Terry
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Doug Barton
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Joined: 24 Apr 2002
Posts: 91
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 1:48 am Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
| Quote: | I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
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Personally I think it's way too premature to consider this, before we
actually have things working in -current.
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"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power.
And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory."
- George W. Bush, President of the United States
State of the Union, January 28, 2002
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David O'Brien
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Joined: 20 Jun 2002
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:50 am Post subject:
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On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 06:48:53PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
Personally I think it's way too premature to consider this, before we
actually have things working in -current.
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Uh, things are working in -current. At this point I've only heard there
might be a sendmail nit and a BIND one.
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Doug Barton
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Joined: 24 Apr 2002
Posts: 91
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:52 am Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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Terry Lambert wrote:
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Doug Barton wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
Personally I think it's way too premature to consider this, before we
actually have things working in -current.
Since it won't be turned on by default, this should be a
non-problem. Even if it were turned on, it should *still*
not be a problem, until people provide ports rc scripts in
the new format.
I think things *are* working in -current.
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There have been patches to fix typos, logic errors, etc.; every day
since the stuff was committed recently. Note, I don't think this is a
problem, since we basically expect this sort of thing in the early
stages.
My concern is that people will start writing scripts that use these
interfaces, then we're going to change them. However, if no one else
objects, I suppose it's ok....
--
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power.
And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory."
- George W. Bush, President of the United States
State of the Union, January 28, 2002
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Gordon Tetlow
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Joined: 31 May 2002
Posts: 42
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:31 pm Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Doug Barton wrote:
| Quote: | Terry Lambert wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Gordon Tetlow wrote:
I'm going to MFC src/etc/rc.subr into -STABLE probably tomorrow unless
someone has some grevious reason that it shouldn't.
Personally I think it's way too premature to consider this, before we
actually have things working in -current.
Since it won't be turned on by default, this should be a
non-problem. Even if it were turned on, it should *still*
not be a problem, until people provide ports rc scripts in
the new format.
I think things *are* working in -current.
My concern is that people will start writing scripts that use these
interfaces, then we're going to change them. However, if no one else
objects, I suppose it's ok....
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Actually, I think this is a good reason. I'm going to think on it some
more. I have some ideas I need to flesh out and probably talk with lukem
about.
-gordon
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Terry Lambert
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 19 Mar 2002
Posts: 434
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 1:20 am Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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Gordon Tetlow wrote:
| Quote: | My concern is that people will start writing scripts that use these
interfaces, then we're going to change them. However, if no one else
objects, I suppose it's ok....
Actually, I think this is a good reason. I'm going to think on it some
more. I have some ideas I need to flesh out and probably talk with lukem
about.
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Not MFC'ing just the ports part (which is all we are talking
about here -- personally, I'd like the whole thing in 4.7) will
*guarantee* that there will be ports written for 5.x that will
not work for 4.7 because they rely upon the new rc system for
startup and shutdown.
Personally, I don't care if the code is buggy, if it's off by
default.
Remember that devfs was MFC'ed under the same constraints, so
there is precedent.
-- Terry
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Doug Barton
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:17 pm Post subject:
Re: MFC of src/etc/rc.subr
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On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
| Quote: | Gordon Tetlow wrote:
My concern is that people will start writing scripts that use these
interfaces, then we're going to change them. However, if no one else
objects, I suppose it's ok....
Actually, I think this is a good reason. I'm going to think on it some
more. I have some ideas I need to flesh out and probably talk with lukem
about.
Not MFC'ing just the ports part
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There is no "just the ports part." /etc/rc.subr is the hingepin
for the entire netbsd rc system. Any changes we might make in -current
would then have to be pushed down. My concern is that if we do encourage
people to start adopting this style for ports, we should know what the
style is first.
| Quote: | Personally, I don't care if the code is buggy, if it's off by
default.
Remember that devfs was MFC'ed under the same constraints, so
there is precedent.
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Yes, and look what a spectacular success that was...
--
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power.
And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory."
- George W. Bush, President of the United States
State of the Union, January 28, 2002
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