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sam
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

Juergen Dankoweit wrote:

Quote:
Hello to all,

sorry for my later answer.
Many thanks to all the interesting points. I think I will create a
flyer which lists the information you gave me. I think it will be
available at the German CeBit in March.

I found on Amazon a book about the topic:
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/1589950046/028-0124367-0906970

Many thanks again for the hints.

Best regards

Jürgen




Hi,

What embedded hardware to you think is available in the market suitable
for TinyBSD?

Thanks
Sam


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:36 pm    Post subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

Hello to all,

sorry for my later answer.
Many thanks to all the interesting points. I think I will create a
flyer which lists the information you gave me. I think it will be
available at the German CeBit in March.

I found on Amazon a book about the topic:
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/1589950046/028-0124367-0906970

Many thanks again for the hints.

Best regards

Jürgen

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

"M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
In message: <43762910.3080305@samsco.org>
Scott Long writes:
: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
: > In message <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>, Juergen
: > Dankoweit writes:
: >
: >
: >>My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems
: >>FreeBSD runs?
: >
: >
: > Typically in this space, people select hardware based on I/O
: > requirements and there is plenty to pick at.
: >
: > FreeBSD runs on pretty much anything with an i386 compatible CPU,
: > and the soekris is merely the hackers favourite.
: >
: > Maintaining a comprehensive list would be a bit of work, but not
: > a lot of work, so if somebody volunteers for it, I'm sure we can
: > find a spot for it on our web-pages.
: >
:
: FreeBSD is also being made to run on a variety of smaller ARM platforms
: right now like the ARM920T. It might also be possible to get a PPC
: platform like the 405G/440G working without a whole lot of work.

The StrongArm stuff also is in decent shape. The ARM920T core needs
glue for the different types of ARM processors by different OEMs.
There's some work on the ep9301 in the p4 repo right now which gets at
least one eval board working (see http://www.embeddedarm.com/ for the
TS7200 and TS7250). Other cores are also in the pipeline.

They are nice board. But I guess my project doesn't need USB ports. Do you think its price can be under $100 USD eg. $80USD without built-in USB ports?

Sam.


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M. Warner Losh
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

In message: <F890B0AE5F09C946992683ACA774893DB1E336@CORPMAIL.sbscorp.sbs.com>
"Bob Pickles" <BPickles@sbs.com> writes:
: Daniel
:
: That would be an interesting project. I did a Tundra II
: QNX driver for one of our SBCs with an Intel processor, but again
: PPC is not a big issue here.
:
: What would be the interest in the community for such a development?
:
: I need to justify everything that I work on, as I am fully loaded
: most of the year.
:
: However, it's an interesting thought...
:
: Regards
:
: Bob
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: Daniel Eischen [mailto:deischen@freebsd.org]
: Sent: 14 November 2005 13:33
: To: Bob Pickles
: Cc: M. Warner Losh; scottl@samsco.org; phk@phk.freebsd.dk;
: Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
: Subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems
:
: On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Bob Pickles wrote:
:
: > Hi
: >
: > For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card)
: > driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year
: > ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with.
: >
: > There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers
: > in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible
: > with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an
: > option.
:
: Yes, one thing we lack is a VME bus driver for the Tundra I/II
: chipset. VME is still popular in military and industrial
: control applications.

I've looked at Tundra II driver for a potential data collection
project that needed VME cards, but that never happened... Didn't look
too hard to do, but since that project never happened, no work was
ever done on it beyond the exploritory stages.

Warner
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Bob Pickles
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:15 pm    Post subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

Daniel

That would be an interesting project. I did a Tundra II
QNX driver for one of our SBCs with an Intel processor, but again
PPC is not a big issue here.

What would be the interest in the community for such a development?

I need to justify everything that I work on, as I am fully loaded
most of the year.

However, it's an interesting thought...

Regards

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Eischen [mailto:deischen@freebsd.org]
Sent: 14 November 2005 13:33
To: Bob Pickles
Cc: M. Warner Losh; scottl@samsco.org; phk@phk.freebsd.dk;
Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de; freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Bob Pickles wrote:

Quote:
Hi

For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card)
driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year
ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with.

There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers
in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible
with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an
option.

Yes, one thing we lack is a VME bus driver for the Tundra I/II
chipset. VME is still popular in military and industrial
control applications.

--
DE


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:33 pm    Post subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Bob Pickles wrote:

Quote:
Hi

For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card)
driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year
ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with.

There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers
in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible
with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an
option.

Yes, one thing we lack is a VME bus driver for the Tundra I/II
chipset. VME is still popular in military and industrial
control applications.

--
DE

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Bruce M Simpson
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 10:09:31PM -0700, Bob Pickles wrote:
Quote:
For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card)
driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year
ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with.

This is very cool. I look forward to being able to run FreeBSD on a cPCI
chassis for one very strong reason: cPCI has geographical PCI addressing
support. If we had a clean way of using this to number network interfaces,
even better -- it's been a bone of contention with router control plane
software (i.e. XORP) for a while.

BMS
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Scott Long
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:17 am    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

Bob Pickles wrote:
Quote:
Hi

For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card)
driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year
ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with.

There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers
in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible
with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an
option.

Regards

Bob Pickles


FreeBSD runs multiuser on the Mac G3 and G4 platforms right now.
Translating that into running on a PPC 405G or 440G or similar SOC
system would probably take a couple of months of writing the appropriate
glue code and bootstrap and porting some drivers. I'd very much like to
see this be done, but it's not something that I have the cycles to in my
free time.

Scott
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Bob Pickles
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: RE: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

Hi

For you interest, I have implemented a PMC (PCI Mezzanine Card)
driver for one of our products for a French company over 1 year
ago. FreeBSD is a nice stable platform, to develop with.

There are many Intel based VME and cPCI system Single Board Computers
in the market place. It would be nice if FreeBSD were also compatible
with Power PC, then more military suppliers might look at this as an
option.

Regards

Bob Pickles


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of M. Warner Losh
Sent: 14 November 2005 04:28
To: scottl@samsco.org
Cc: phk@phk.freebsd.dk; Juergen.Dankoweit@T-Online.de;
freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems

In message: <43762910.3080305@samsco.org>
Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> writes:
: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
: > In message
<1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>, Juergen
: > Dankoweit writes:
: >
: >
: >>My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems
: >>FreeBSD runs?
: >
: >
: > Typically in this space, people select hardware based on I/O
: > requirements and there is plenty to pick at.
: >
: > FreeBSD runs on pretty much anything with an i386 compatible CPU,
: > and the soekris is merely the hackers favourite.
: >
: > Maintaining a comprehensive list would be a bit of work, but not
: > a lot of work, so if somebody volunteers for it, I'm sure we can
: > find a spot for it on our web-pages.
: >
:
: FreeBSD is also being made to run on a variety of smaller ARM
platforms
: right now like the ARM920T. It might also be possible to get a PPC
: platform like the 405G/440G working without a whole lot of work.

The StrongArm stuff also is in decent shape. The ARM920T core needs
glue for the different types of ARM processors by different OEMs.
There's some work on the ep9301 in the p4 repo right now which gets at
least one eval board working (see http://www.embeddedarm.com/ for the
TS7200 and TS7250). Other cores are also in the pipeline.

Warner
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

In message: <43762910.3080305@samsco.org>
Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> writes:
: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
: > In message <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>, Juergen
: > Dankoweit writes:
: >
: >
: >>My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems
: >>FreeBSD runs?
: >
: >
: > Typically in this space, people select hardware based on I/O
: > requirements and there is plenty to pick at.
: >
: > FreeBSD runs on pretty much anything with an i386 compatible CPU,
: > and the soekris is merely the hackers favourite.
: >
: > Maintaining a comprehensive list would be a bit of work, but not
: > a lot of work, so if somebody volunteers for it, I'm sure we can
: > find a spot for it on our web-pages.
: >
:
: FreeBSD is also being made to run on a variety of smaller ARM platforms
: right now like the ARM920T. It might also be possible to get a PPC
: platform like the 405G/440G working without a whole lot of work.

The StrongArm stuff also is in decent shape. The ARM920T core needs
glue for the different types of ARM processors by different OEMs.
There's some work on the ep9301 in the p4 repo right now which gets at
least one eval board working (see http://www.embeddedarm.com/ for the
TS7200 and TS7250). Other cores are also in the pipeline.

Warner
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:10 am    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

0n Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 10:12:22AM +0100, Juergen Dankoweit wrote:

Quote:
Hello,

at the Munich trade fair "Systems 2005" I was asked from a visitor on
which embedded systems FreeBSD is running (I was there to promote
FreeBSD). He give me his vcard and pointed out that he is a developer on
embedded systems. He is very interested in FreeBSD on such systems and
he wants to migrate some applications to that platform.

I was surprised about this question and the only system that comes in my
mind was "Soekris".

My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems
FreeBSD runs?

Many thanks for your answer

You may find this insightful:

Embedded BSD: A case for BSD in your next embedded system project

By Terry Lambert

[http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200201/embsd.html]


-aW
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
Quote:
In message <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>, Juergen
Dankoweit writes:


My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems
FreeBSD runs?


Typically in this space, people select hardware based on I/O
requirements and there is plenty to pick at.

FreeBSD runs on pretty much anything with an i386 compatible CPU,
and the soekris is merely the hackers favourite.

Maintaining a comprehensive list would be a bit of work, but not
a lot of work, so if somebody volunteers for it, I'm sure we can
find a spot for it on our web-pages.


FreeBSD is also being made to run on a variety of smaller ARM platforms
right now like the ARM920T. It might also be possible to get a PPC
platform like the 405G/440G working without a whole lot of work.

Scott
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

In message <1131786743.2050.7.camel@primergy470.juergendankoweit.net>, Juergen
Dankoweit writes:

Quote:
My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems
FreeBSD runs?

Typically in this space, people select hardware based on I/O
requirements and there is plenty to pick at.

FreeBSD runs on pretty much anything with an i386 compatible CPU,
and the soekris is merely the hackers favourite.

Maintaining a comprehensive list would be a bit of work, but not
a lot of work, so if somebody volunteers for it, I'm sure we can
find a spot for it on our web-pages.

--
Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20
phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956
FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe
Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:12 am    Post subject: FreeBSD on embedded systems Reply with quote

Hello,

at the Munich trade fair "Systems 2005" I was asked from a visitor on
which embedded systems FreeBSD is running (I was there to promote
FreeBSD). He give me his vcard and pointed out that he is a developer on
embedded systems. He is very interested in FreeBSD on such systems and
he wants to migrate some applications to that platform.

I was surprised about this question and the only system that comes in my
mind was "Soekris".

My question is now: is there an overview on which embedded systems
FreeBSD runs?

Many thanks for your answer

Jürgen Dankoweit


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