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Scott Cole
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

On 2005-03-17, Kurt Fitzner <kfitzner@excelcia.org> espoused the following:

Quote:
cordially, as always,

This requires individual comment. Closing in this manner a posting such
as you wrote is simply a way to further degrade your victim. Stab
someone, and then say "Charmed, I'm sure".

Kurt you sound like a very intelligent and civilized person. I would urge

you to review this fellows prior postings then simply put him in your
killfile and not be subjected to his annoying drivel. You are certainly
not going to get anywhere with him and will simply frustrate yourself if
you try to reason with him. He is really quite irrational.

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Sylvain Robitaille
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

john wrote:

Quote:
So: is there anyone else out there who would be interested if I were
to play around with this sort of thing a little? ...

In my opinion, if you're inclined, and you have time, you should just go
ahead for your own satisfaction. If you succeed at it, and find that it
might be usable by others, that would be a good time to contact the
Slackware folk(s) and propose that if (t)he(y) were to sanction your
work, you would certainly work with him/them to ensure a "true"
Slackware system.

That's the approach I'm taking with my Alpha port at the moment, for
example. Patrick hasn't heard squat from me personally about it because
there still isn't anything to show, except for some successfully
compiled packages, and a list of others that I'm going to have to take
another pass at. Once I have the system self-hosting, I'll take another
pass at those, and then approach him with what I have and have done, and
perhaps propose a plan for how I would like to proceed with it.

He'll either sanction it and agree to call it a "port", or he won't.
Either way, as far as I'm concerned, I'll have "Slackware" running on my
Alpha, and I'll certainly arrange to make it accessible to others, by
whatever name necessary.

If I fail, and the whole thing winds up a heaping mess of poorly adapted
code, I'll save myself the embarrassment and won't approach him at all
with it ... :-)

Quote:
if not, I'll just go and install some existing distro - and there's
none of them half as good as Slackware in my opinion.

That's certainly true of the non-Intel, non-Mac systems I have as well
.... They run Linux, but they *want* Slackware Linux! :-)

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prodigal1
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org) wrote:
<snip>
Quote:
This requires indidual comment.

no it doesn't, you've been trolled
somewhere a village is being deprived of its idiot and rm is awol
please do not respond so I don't have to read its banal mumblings

persistent responders to the village idiot get binned too
it's not personal, it's just personal psychic hygiene
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Keith Keller
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

On 2005-03-17, Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at excelcia period org) <spammers@go.to.hell> wrote:

Quote:
such a level of general afrontery that it requires a response

Such a level of general affrontery is usually trolling, and as
such requires no response.

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Realto Margarino
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

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Kurt Fitzner <kfitzner@excelcia.org> trolled:

Quote:
Good bloody grief, man. I generally don't make a reply in a
thread unless I am addressing the thread's overall topic, but
your post was at such a level of general afrontery that it
requires a response - requires public redress.

I take it that you mean general effrontery. The person I was
responding to, Kiki Novacs, or Niki Kovacs, or whatever, is a known
troll and he was treated with exactly the amount of respect that he
has earned.

cordially, as always,

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john
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:26:19 +0000, Realto Margarino wrote:

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prodigal1 <prodig@l.com> trolled:
Niki Kovacs wrote:

Sad, huh?

nothing I read in there spells sad to me

That's because you are a moron. The fact that Volkerding does not
have time to port to PPC most certainly is sad for those who want
to install slackware on their macs.

it's his toy and he gets to play with it as he chooses and tons
of us get to play with his toy for free.

And who would dispute this, moron?

I would like to advance my level of knowledge to the point where
I could do a port to a different architecture myself

I would like to see you advance to the level where you know what
periods (.) are and why you should use them.

Moron.

cordially, as always,

OK folks, thanks for your feedback. Can we keep it polite, please?

I think I've learned a few things:

1. There is at least one other person apart from myself who would
like to have something resembling the old Slackintosh distro for the Mac.

2. We should respect Pat Volkerding; after all, without him there would be
nothing. Well, I knew that already.

So: is there anyone else out there who would be interested if I were to
play around with this sort of thing a little? If so, I *might* be
motivated to try to do something; if not, I'll just go and install some
existing distro - and there's none of them half as good as Slackware in
my opinion.

John
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Kurt Fitzner
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

Realto Margarino wrote:

Quote:
Sad, huh?
nothing I read in there spells sad to me

That's because you are a moron. The fact that Volkerding does not
have time to port to PPC most certainly is sad for those who want
to install slackware on their macs.
it's his toy and he gets to play with it as he chooses and tons
of us get to play with his toy for free.

And who would dispute this, moron?

I would like to advance my level of knowledge to the point where
I could do a port to a different architecture myself

I would like to see you advance to the level where you know what
periods (.) are and why you should use them.

Moron.

Good bloody grief, man. I generally don't make a reply in a thread
unless I am addressing the thread's overall topic, but your post was at
such a level of general afrontery that it requires a response - requires
public redress. It used to be that if a child exhibited such rudeness
in public that any nearby adult would step in and issue some correction.
It seems that this type of correction was sadly missing for you.

The poster you reply to was polite, though he may have misconstrued the
meaning of the "Sad, huh?" comment he replied to. I say may because
even this is not completely clear. Thus, his comments were valid.

Yours, however, were not valid in any sense excepting perhaps
grammatically. I can find not even the slightest motive for the level
of viciousness you exhibited.

Quote:
cordially, as always,

This requires individual comment. Closing in this manner a posting such
as you wrote is simply a way to further degrade your victim. Stab
someone, and then say "Charmed, I'm sure".

Learn some common courtesy, then practice it.

Kurt.
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Kurt Fitzner (kfitzner at
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

Realto Margarino wrote:

Quote:
Sad, huh?
nothing I read in there spells sad to me

That's because you are a moron. The fact that Volkerding does not
have time to port to PPC most certainly is sad for those who want
to install slackware on their macs.
it's his toy and he gets to play with it as he chooses and tons
of us get to play with his toy for free.

And who would dispute this, moron?

I would like to advance my level of knowledge to the point where
I could do a port to a different architecture myself

I would like to see you advance to the level where you know what
periods (.) are and why you should use them.

Moron.

Good bloody grief, man. I generally don't make a reply in a thread
unless I am adressing the thread's overall topic, but your post was at
such a level of general afrontery that it requires a response - requires
public redress. It used to be that if a child exhibited such rudeness
in public that any nearby adult would step in and issue some correction.
It seems that this type of correction was sadly missing for you.

The poster you reply to was polite, though he may have misconstrued the
meaning of the "Sad, huh?" comment he replied to. I say may because
even this is not completely clear. Thus, his comments were valid.

Yours, however, were not valid in any sense excepting perhaps
grammaticly. I can find not even the slightest motive for the level of
viciousness you exhibited.

Quote:
cordially, as always,

This requires indidual comment. Closing in this manner a posting such
as you wrote is simply a way to further degrade your victim. Stab
someone, and then say "Charmed, I'm sure".

Learn some common courtesy, then practice it.

Kurt.
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Realto Margarino
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

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+Alan Hicks+ <alan@lizella.network> trolled:
Quote:
In alt.os.linux.slackware, Niki Kovacs dared to utter,

I mailed Patrick Volkerding about that some time ago, since I
badly wanted Slack on my iBook. Here's what he said:

For the record, Pat generally frowns on redistributing e-mail
conversations, as he considers them private conversation.

So what? Both parties to the conversation have full rights to the
use of that conversation unless otherwise stated, or at least
implied.

cordially, as always,

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Keith Keller
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

On 2005-03-17, +Alan Hicks+ <alan@lizella.netWORK> wrote:

Quote:
Again, reasonable. I mean, you wouldn't go making a distro called
Red Cap would you?

No, but I wouldn't name my distro HorriblePieceOfCrap Linux,
either. ;-)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

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In alt.os.linux.slackware, Niki Kovacs dared to utter,
Quote:
I mailed Patrick Volkerding about that some time ago, since I badly wanted
Slack on my iBook. Here's what he said:

For the record, Pat generally frowns on redistributing e-mail
conversations, as he considers them private conversation.

Quote:
Well, I'd have to make one first. I have a G3, and played around with PPC
to some extent, but don't have the time to port Slackware to the PPC
myself, or to do enough QA personally to deem a port "official". The only
official Slackware port right now is S/390, and it's because those guys
did it right by letting me know about the porting effort years ago and
working with me to fix problems through Slackware rather than acting like
a fork.

That's the way those things should be done. It's professional and
curtious. Working with the main distributor (who's code you are
porting) and helping improve the main tree is being a good netizen and
hacker. Instead of going your own way, you speak with the people in
charge of the main line, tell them what you're doing, and offer to help
them when they come across a bug, or offer fixes you may see throughout
your own development.

Quote:
They also didn't use any kind of "Slack*" name until shortly
before the first release, and they asked for permission first (unlike a
lot of other groups).

Again, a class act. I was concerned about using the name SlackSec last
year because of this. I didn't want to step on his toes or anything, so
we e-mail him first. We didn't get a response, so after a couple days
we moved ahead, thinking it best to do something instead of sit on our
hands and do nothing. I think we made the right decision and Pat hasn't
asked us to change the name (though I think I can speak for everyone in
saying we would if he wanted so).

Quote:
I get a little bit touchy about third parties
diluting the Slackware trademark and tend not to want to work with or
sanction them if they've already started out on the wrong foot.

That's reasonable.

Quote:
I figure
if they've failed to follow my own simple rule that they aren't careful
enough about software licenses and trademarks in general.

Again, reasonable. I mean, you wouldn't go making a distro called
Red Cap would you?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

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prodigal1 <prodig@l.com> trolled:
Quote:
Niki Kovacs wrote:

Sad, huh?

nothing I read in there spells sad to me

That's because you are a moron. The fact that Volkerding does not
have time to port to PPC most certainly is sad for those who want
to install slackware on their macs.

Quote:
it's his toy and he gets to play with it as he chooses and tons
of us get to play with his toy for free.

And who would dispute this, moron?

Quote:
I would like to advance my level of knowledge to the point where
I could do a port to a different architecture myself

I would like to see you advance to the level where you know what
periods (.) are and why you should use them.

Moron.

cordially, as always,

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

Niki Kovacs wrote:

Quote:
Sad, huh?
nothing I read in there spells sad to me

it's his toy and he gets to play with it as he chooses and tons of us
get to play with his toy for free
I would like to advance my level of knowledge to the point where I could
do a port to a different architecture myself
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

john wrote:

Quote:
Hello world,

I've just bought a second-hand mac, and of course I want to put Slackware
on it. But the old Slackintosh port has sadly died.

Is there anyone else out there who would be interested in a revival of
this sort of thing? Or has everyone migrated to Crux or Gentoo?


I mailed Patrick Volkerding about that some time ago, since I badly wanted
Slack on my iBook. Here's what he said:

--------------

Re: Slackware vs. Slackintosh
Date : 25/10/2004 20:09
De : "Patrick J. Volkerding" <volkerdi@slackware.com>
: Niki Kovacs <contact@kikinovak.net>

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, Niki Kovacs wrote:
Quote:
Suggestion: why not make a PPC version of Slackware available? I know
there
has been a Slackintosh project, which died prematurely. But I thought
about
something more official.

Well, I'd have to make one first. I have a G3, and played around with PPC
to some extent, but don't have the time to port Slackware to the PPC
myself, or to do enough QA personally to deem a port "official". The only
official Slackware port right now is S/390, and it's because those guys
did it right by letting me know about the porting effort years ago and
working with me to fix problems through Slackware rather than acting like
a fork. They also didn't use any kind of "Slack*" name until shortly
before the first release, and they asked for permission first (unlike a
lot of other groups). I get a little bit touchy about third parties
diluting the Slackware trademark and tend not to want to work with or
sanction them if they've already started out on the wrong foot. I figure
if they've failed to follow my own simple rule that they aren't careful
enough about software licenses and trademarks in general.

Best regards,

Pat

---------------

Sad, huh?

Niki
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Slack for Macintosh Reply with quote

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GP <gilpel@inverse.nretla.org> wrote:
Quote:

Slackware is already hardly maintained for the PC platform, I wish you good
luck for the Mac.


And I suppose Slack 10.1's release just a few weeks ago is
'hardly maintained'. Check yourself. And, while you're at it, Check the
Changelog between 10.0, 10.1, and -current. Then come back with
accurate data.

BL.
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