Installing XFree86 package via sysinstall: need X wrapper or not?

David O'Brien · *nix forums beginner Joined: 21 Jun 2002 Posts: 1

On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:58:06PM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote:

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On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 01:45:20PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote:

Makoto Matsushita · *nix forums beginner Joined: 21 Mar 2002 Posts: 9

obrien> This is wrong. XFree86-4 should include the wrapper. Do you
obrien> know why it doesn't?

I don't know. I'll put wrapper into XFree86-4 if I'm the maintainer.

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But I can suppose that why wrapper is not installed by default; when
you're going to update XFree86-4-Server,

- You can't simply delete old XFree86-4-Server, since wrapper
depends on this.

- You can force to install new XFree86-4-Server. But you must
re-install wrapper also, since ${X11BASE}/bin/X is already
replaced.

It would be OK for wrapper users, but maybe it would not be OK for
other majority users who use xdm or its friends.

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Dag-Erling Smorgrav · *nix forums Guru Wannabe Joined: 23 Mar 2002 Posts: 110

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On Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 11:35:52AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

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* Will Andrews <will@csociety.org> [020622 13:06] wrote:

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Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

M. Warner Losh · *nix forums Guru Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Posts: 365

In message: <xzpheju21z0.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no>
Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org> writes:
: Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> writes:
: > Not having 'startx' or having a 'startx' that doesn't work is
: > really a bad idea. It _will_ annoy users.
:
: Only users who haven't yet entered the 90s and discovered xdm.

I think this attitude is not helpful. xdm broke badly on the last set
up upgrades I did to X. startx is the only thing that still works for
me.

Warner

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Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org> writes:

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"M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org> writes:

Makoto Matsushita · *nix forums beginner Joined: 21 Mar 2002 Posts: 9

des> Yes, there is: it's a setuid binary. It shouldn't be installed
des> unless it's needed.

The X wrapper should be installed for startx users, and we can't
deduce who want to use it.

Let me clarify the point again:

Background:
1) In XFree86 3.x, the non-root users of startx(1) kick X
server without any setups, since X server is a setuid binary.
2) In XFree86 4.x, the non-root users of startx(1) cannot kick
X server, since X server is no longer setuid binary.

Note that most of users doesn't know X server has setuid
bit or not.

Current situations:
3) The startx users think that XFree86 4.2 is broken, X server
can't start. FreeBSD bundles XFree86 4.2. As a result,
they says "Latest FreeBSD's X server is broken."

How to solve:
4a) Write documents, to explain that "startx users should
install X wrapper separately, since sysinstall doesn't
automatically install the wrapper."
4b) Install X wrapper after XFree86 installation is finished.
4c) Add X wrapper itself into XFree86 meta-port.
4d) Do nothing.

Current situation is 4d), I propose 4b) in the last email, and some
others suggests 4c).

How do you think about this, des? I don't want to talk about xdm/pam
breakage or something like that; I want to talk about (backward
compatibility?) issues for startx users.

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Dag-Erling Smorgrav · *nix forums Guru Wannabe Joined: 23 Mar 2002 Posts: 110

"M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org> writes:

M. Warner Losh · *nix forums Guru Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Posts: 365

In message: <xzp1yay16sp.fsf@flood.ping.uio.no>
Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org> writes:
: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org> writes:
: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org> writes:
: > > Only users who haven't yet entered the 90s and discovered xdm.
: > I think this attitude is not helpful. xdm broke badly on the last set
: > up upgrades I did to X. startx is the only thing that still works for
: > me.
:
: I don't think your attitude is helpful either. You should be trying
: to figure out (or helping someone try to figure out) what's wrong with
: xdm, rather than whining about it.

Given the number of bugs that I have on my plate for PCCARD, and the
hellish schedule at work, I desided to live with it rather than spend
more time on it. It isn't whinging. I have a limited amount of time.

I also am doing sufficient driver work that booting to X is a pain and
starting it by hand is useful, so I've not been motivated to figure it
out from that angle either.

: Maybe *this* is what's really wrong with FreeBSD: people seem more
: comfortable whining about bugs and building up grudges towards those
: they think are responsible for them, than trying to actually fix them.

Maybe. I wasn't blaming you for it, as I have no clue what the
problem was. I'm pretty sure it isn't PAM since it broke when I
upgraded X, not when I did an installworld. Now that the crunch time
is over, I may find some time to deal. Maybe you are a hearing insult
and derision where none was really meant.

Warner

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Doug Barton · *nix forums addict Joined: 24 Apr 2002 Posts: 91

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