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Jim
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DarthChaosofRSPW@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | If Win3.1/98/98 was a GUI shell, then what is WinXP? :)
The last time I was on the GEOS website, they had the C64, C128, and
DOS versions of GEOS for free download (like you said, as abandonware,
but still under copyright).
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Winx.x/9x/ME were indeed GUI shells which were loaded on top of the DOS
kernel (AKA command interpreter, or COMMAND.COM), hence the ability to
shell directly to a fully functional MS-DOS command interface or even
reboot (or go via F8 during initial boot) to a CLI without loading
Windows or any of its associated TSRs or other bits.
XP is a GUI shell on the NT 5.1 kernel (loaded at boot via ntldr) - the
DOS command shell as we now know it is a shell process under vmm32.vxd
with an (compared to even DOS 4) extremely limited vocabulary. NT first
made public appearance as NT Beta on 11 November 1992, to be released as
WFWG 3.1 on 27 July 1993.
:)
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Cheers, http://www.dotware.co.uk
Jim http://www.dotware-entertainment.co.uk
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, It is by the beans of
Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking
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DarthChaosofRSPW@gmail.co
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:
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If Win3.1/98/98 was a GUI shell, then what is WinXP? :)
The last time I was on the GEOS website, they had the C64, C128, and
DOS versions of GEOS for free download (like you said, as abandonware,
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Nigel Feltham
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject:
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Darth Chaos wrote:
| Quote: | GEOS? Is this the descendent of the original GEOS OS for the Commodore
64 and Commodore 128? BTW, was the C64/128 GEOS UNIX-based?
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GEOS wasn't an OS it was just a GUI shell (like win3.1/95/9 . It was later
ported to DOS based PC's, then a few years later was renamed 'New Deal
Office'. It was not UNIX based.
It appears to be semi-abandonware - the homepage of the author, Geoworks is
showing as 'Site being reconstructed' and the GEOS Support site run by
users has a message that they've made cutbacks which include ditching the
sales department and that anyone who wishes to order a copy of the software
should email them and they'll get back to you when sales department
re-opens.
I can see why Nokia abandoned GEOS if the company (Geoworks) is so desparate
to reduce costs they've dumped all the staff selling their only product,
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DarthChaosofRSPW@gmail.co
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject:
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GEOS? Is this the descendent of the original GEOS OS for the Commodore
64 and Commodore 128? BTW, was the C64/128 GEOS UNIX-based? |
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never-aways
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"James Knott" <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:o8qdnQcwW_nRi4LeRVn-og@rogers.com...
| Quote: | totojepast@razdva.cz wrote:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4070.html
"Nokia did it once and now Nokia is preparing to do it again. In past
Nokia Communicator phones were based on GEOS operating system. Then,
without releasing commercial phones with it, Nokia ported Palm OS and
tested it internally. Then Nokia dumped GEOS and switched to Symbian -
based on EPOC from Psion. Now Nokia is already testing internally
Series 60 and other platforms on Linux..."
What would be nice, would be if they also produced desktop software that
also works on Linux.
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I'd settle for it working reliably on Windows first. |
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Brian Morrison
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:37 pm Post subject:
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James Knott wrote:
| Quote: | Brian Morrison wrote:
If you were Nokia's management, would you put all your eggs in one
basket, or would you make sure that you had several baskets with fewer
eggs in each?
This is normal business behaviour, intended to protect shareholders and
jobs against changes in market sentiment (bloody hell, I'm an analyst
now, someone want to give me a job writing yards of spiel about this
stuff?).
Also, there's the cost of licenses, that's not an issue with Linux.
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True enough, but since Nokia are a founding member of the Symbian
consortium I would expect them to have a good deal on licence costs.
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James Knott
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Brian Morrison wrote:
| Quote: | If you were Nokia's management, would you put all your eggs in one
basket, or would you make sure that you had several baskets with fewer
eggs in each?
This is normal business behaviour, intended to protect shareholders and
jobs against changes in market sentiment (bloody hell, I'm an analyst
now, someone want to give me a job writing yards of spiel about this
stuff?).
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Also, there's the cost of licenses, that's not an issue with Linux. |
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James Knott
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totojepast@razdva.cz wrote:
| Quote: | http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4070.html
"Nokia did it once and now Nokia is preparing to do it again. In past
Nokia Communicator phones were based on GEOS operating system. Then,
without releasing commercial phones with it, Nokia ported Palm OS and
tested it internally. Then Nokia dumped GEOS and switched to Symbian -
based on EPOC from Psion. Now Nokia is already testing internally
Series 60 and other platforms on Linux..."
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What would be nice, would be if they also produced desktop software that
also works on Linux. |
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Brian Morrison
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject:
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totojepast@razdva.cz wrote:
| Quote: | http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4070.html
"Nokia did it once and now Nokia is preparing to do it again. In past
Nokia Communicator phones were based on GEOS operating system. Then,
without releasing commercial phones with it, Nokia ported Palm OS and
tested it internally. Then Nokia dumped GEOS and switched to Symbian -
based on EPOC from Psion. Now Nokia is already testing internally
Series 60 and other platforms on Linux..."
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If you were Nokia's management, would you put all your eggs in one
basket, or would you make sure that you had several baskets with fewer
eggs in each?
This is normal business behaviour, intended to protect shareholders and
jobs against changes in market sentiment (bloody hell, I'm an analyst
now, someone want to give me a job writing yards of spiel about this
stuff?).
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Brian Morrison
please observe reply-to address |
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totojepast@razdva.cz
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Joined: 07 Sep 2005
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http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4070.html
"Nokia did it once and now Nokia is preparing to do it again. In past
Nokia Communicator phones were based on GEOS operating system. Then,
without releasing commercial phones with it, Nokia ported Palm OS and
tested it internally. Then Nokia dumped GEOS and switched to Symbian -
based on EPOC from Psion. Now Nokia is already testing internally
Series 60 and other platforms on Linux..." |
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