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Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athi
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 Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject:
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In article <RE3Qd.10698$H05.6999@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes:
| Quote: | My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo on it.
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Fine !!
Is there also a new version of the freeware CD's ?
Patrick
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VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
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In article <RE3Qd.10698$H05.6999@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes:
| Quote: | My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo on it.
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Why would that make me happy?
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Jeff Goodwin
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject:
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"Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40" <pmoreau@ath.cena.fr>
wrote in message news:PigWQxOSQGBz@sinead...
| Quote: | In article <RE3Qd.10698$H05.6999@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "Jeff Goodwin"
jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes:
My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo on
it.
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Fine !!
Is there also a new version of the freeware CD's ?
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It has Freeware V7 in it.
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Patrick
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John Smith
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject:
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John Reagan wrote:
| Quote: | Jeff Goodwin wrote:
My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo
on it. :)
-Jeff
Great, I've been needing a box that is Java Compatible, my old one is
wearing out.
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Just in Time - my Java box is almost empty (Costa Rican Tirazu - fine
grind). ;-)
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John Reagan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject:
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Jeff Goodwin wrote:
| Quote: | My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo on it.
:)
-Jeff
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Great, I've been needing a box that is Java Compatible, my old one is
wearing out. :-)
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johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:38 pm Post subject:
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Jeff Goodwin wrote:
| Quote: | My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo
on it.
:)
-Jeff
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Great! Now I wonder how long before they show up on Ebay so us
hobbyist types can get a copy... |
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John Vottero
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:41 pm Post subject:
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"John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message
news:zv6Qd.11$O46.0@news.cpqcorp.net...
| Quote: | Jeff Goodwin wrote:
My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo on
it.
:)
-Jeff
Great, I've been needing a box that is Java Compatible, my old one is
wearing out.
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It may say it's Java Compatible but, it started leaking as soon as I poured
the Java in. |
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Schroeder, AJ
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject:
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<johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108409898.537479.94860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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Jeff Goodwin wrote:
My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo
on it.
:)
-Jeff
Great! Now I wonder how long before they show up on Ebay so us
hobbyist types can get a copy...
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Yes, where do us hobbyist types get copies of the newest VMS releases? |
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John Santos
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:44 am Post subject:
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Schroeder, AJ wrote:
| Quote: | johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108409898.537479.94860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Jeff Goodwin wrote:
My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo
on it.
:)
-Jeff
Great! Now I wonder how long before they show up on Ebay so us
hobbyist types can get a copy...
Yes, where do us hobbyist types get copies of the newest VMS releases?
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I'm getting mine by borrowing it from work :-)
It's perfectly all right to beg or borrow a copy. Stealing is frowned upon.
Conventional wisdom is that putting a copy of it up on the Internet so
people can download it is also right out.
I don't know if there has been an actual post from someone at HP or if
it is "obvious" (in the legalese sense of "obvious") from the hobbyist
license agreement that this is illegal, but I wouldn't chance it. If
it were okay, I think HP would put it up on their own web site if it
were okay, so people downloading it would have some assurance they were
getting the real thing and not a hacked trojan horse version or an
obsolete beta.
In the past, we have recieved two copies of most Alpha VMS kits, one
with our support contract and one as DSPP members. Often when we renew
the DSPP membership (annually) we get yet another copy of the latest
O/S kit. I bet this is where many of the Ebay kits come from. Most
sites really only need one copy. (I do like to keep two, though. It
really stinks to discover you've got a scratched CD at 2AM on a Sunday
morning in the middle of an upgrade.)
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JF Mezei
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:14 am Post subject:
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John Santos wrote:
| Quote: | Conventional wisdom is that putting a copy of it up on the Internet so
people can download it is also right out.
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I've offered to my country's, organisation-formely-known-as-Decus to
offer to host the kits on a per-request basis. (eg: kits would not be
freely downloadable, only given to those who request it through the
organisation formaly known as DECUS.) I've received no formal response.
Not sure if it would be worth going direct to VMS management and dealing
with Montagar (they have the big database of hobbyists users) to supply
kits on the net to hobbysists on a per-demand basis. |
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johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:28 am Post subject:
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John Santos wrote:
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I'm getting mine by borrowing it from work :-)
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Unfortunately I haven't worked for an employer with OpenVMS since 2002
so that avenue is out. I paid somewhere around $250 on Ebay for the
Alpha 7.3-2 OS and the Q4CY2003 SPL and $30 for the Alpha 7.3-1 CD from
www.openvmshobbyist.org . I'd gladly pay $50 or so for a couple of
CD's from them with everything (except the bazillion DECwindows
versions) that the Hobbyist License covers plus documentation.
| Quote: | It's perfectly all right to beg or borrow a copy. Stealing is
frowned upon.
Conventional wisdom is that putting a copy of it up on the Internet
so
people can download it is also right out.
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I've also got the means to furnish downloads on the web if some sort of
way could be found to verify that a hobbyist was dowloading. But I can
see the legal implications on that could be prohibitive.
| Quote: | I don't know if there has been an actual post from someone at HP or
if
it is "obvious" (in the legalese sense of "obvious") from the
hobbyist
license agreement that this is illegal, but I wouldn't chance it. If
it were okay, I think HP would put it up on their own web site if it
were okay, so people downloading it would have some assurance they
were
getting the real thing and not a hacked trojan horse version or an
obsolete beta.
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I think it's more the economics of charging $1K for 40 odd CD's a year
as opposed to whatever the cost of keeping up a download area. I note
that from the cover letter, etc on my SPL that you CAN download
portions of the SPL if you have a password that is furnished with the
SPL - however that password expires quarterly so usually by the time
things make it to Ebay the password is long past usable.
John H. Reinhardt |
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Schroeder, AJ
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:02 pm Post subject:
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"John Santos" <john@egh.com> wrote in message
news:rucQd.26452$wc.5294@trnddc07...
| Quote: | Schroeder, AJ wrote:
johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1108409898.537479.94860@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Jeff Goodwin wrote:
My OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 distribution arrived today.
You'll all be happy to know that the box has a Java Compatible logo
on it.
:)
-Jeff
Great! Now I wonder how long before they show up on Ebay so us
hobbyist types can get a copy...
Yes, where do us hobbyist types get copies of the newest VMS releases?
I'm getting mine by borrowing it from work :-)
It's perfectly all right to beg or borrow a copy. Stealing is frowned
upon.
Conventional wisdom is that putting a copy of it up on the Internet so
people can download it is also right out.
I don't know if there has been an actual post from someone at HP or if
it is "obvious" (in the legalese sense of "obvious") from the hobbyist
license agreement that this is illegal, but I wouldn't chance it. If
it were okay, I think HP would put it up on their own web site if it
were okay, so people downloading it would have some assurance they were
getting the real thing and not a hacked trojan horse version or an
obsolete beta.
In the past, we have recieved two copies of most Alpha VMS kits, one
with our support contract and one as DSPP members. Often when we renew
the DSPP membership (annually) we get yet another copy of the latest
O/S kit. I bet this is where many of the Ebay kits come from. Most
sites really only need one copy. (I do like to keep two, though. It
really stinks to discover you've got a scratched CD at 2AM on a Sunday
morning in the middle of an upgrade.)
--
John Santos
Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
781-861-0670 ext 539
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I tried that avenue, unfortunatley my employer is moving away from VMS so
our subscription is in an unknown status.
So, do they hobbyist licenses work with the latest releases? Or does the
license from DECUS only work with the version of VMS that comes with the
hobbyist CD kits? Reason I ask is that I might be able to get 7.3-2 and some
layered products from my employer, just not the leading edge.
As you can tell, I am new to VMS and the hobbyist program. |
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Roy Omond
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject:
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Schroeder, AJ wrote:
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I tried that avenue, unfortunatley my employer is moving away from VMS so
our subscription is in an unknown status.
So, do they hobbyist licenses work with the latest releases? Or does the
license from DECUS only work with the version of VMS that comes with the
hobbyist CD kits? Reason I ask is that I might be able to get 7.3-2 and some
layered products from my employer, just not the leading edge.
As you can tell, I am new to VMS and the hobbyist program.
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The hobbyist licences are independent of releases.
Since you're new to VMS and the Hobbyist Program, you're forgiven from
the following, ahem, "observation":
Please, in things like this, please specify where you are geographically
located. There are many of us who are more than willing to loan out
CD kits (or even burn a new set if you supply us with blank CDs).
See JF's earlier posting re Canada. I'm willing to do the same in
the UK (and have done so many times already). Good example of
specifying where I am geographically: I'm located near the
town of Saffron Walden in Essex, ca. 16 Km directly south of Cambridge.
Plus, I'm expecting to get my hands on a VMS 8.2 Alpha kit real soon
now.
Roy Omond
Blue Bubble Ltd. |
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Larry Kilgallen
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject:
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In article <cut288$dif$1@grandcanyon.binc.net>, hamilton@Encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:
| Quote: | The licenses will work with any VMS release AFAIK (I don't know of many
hobbyists running VMS 6.2 and earlier, but I imagine they exist).
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The licenses probably do not work on VMS V5.0 and V5.1.
They certainly do not work prior to VMS V5.0. |
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Bradford J. Hamilton
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| Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject:
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In article <421200e9$1@news.qgraph.com>, "Schroeder, AJ" <aj1@qg.com> writes:
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!"John Santos" <john@egh.com> wrote in message
!news:rucQd.26452$wc.5294@trnddc07...
!snip!
!> In the past, we have recieved two copies of most Alpha VMS kits, one
!> with our support contract and one as DSPP members. Often when we renew
!> the DSPP membership (annually) we get yet another copy of the latest
!> O/S kit. I bet this is where many of the Ebay kits come from. Most
!> sites really only need one copy. (I do like to keep two, though. It
!> really stinks to discover you've got a scratched CD at 2AM on a Sunday
!> morning in the middle of an upgrade.)
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!>
!> --
!> John Santos
!> Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
!> 781-861-0670 ext 539
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!I tried that avenue, unfortunatley my employer is moving away from VMS so
!our subscription is in an unknown status.
!
!So, do they hobbyist licenses work with the latest releases? Or does the
!license from DECUS only work with the version of VMS that comes with the
!hobbyist CD kits? Reason I ask is that I might be able to get 7.3-2 and some
!layered products from my employer, just not the leading edge.
!
The licenses will work with any VMS release AFAIK (I don't know of many
hobbyists running VMS 6.2 and earlier, but I imagine they exist). I've seen
hobbyist sites running on V7.2, V7.2-1, and V7.3.
V7.3-2 should work fine. I currently use V7.3-1, but I have a copy of V7.3-2
ready to go when I feel up to it. I'll probably move to V7.3-2 when updates
and fixes for V7.3-1 stop. I hope I'll have access to V8.2 in the near future,
but I think I can ask folks to lend me a copy, if I need one.
!As you can tell, I am new to VMS and the hobbyist program.
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Great - I hope you enjoy it! |
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