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Dave Froble
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Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host?
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simonvarley@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | OK, I have to have MQ on both systems.
That's a pity since for me MQ is just an additional layer duplicating
the stuff I have in my existing applications. Hopefully, there is
someway to get it to passthrough without being too much of a resource
hog. I'll find out during the MQ training class I'll have to schedule.
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Simon
I don't know your application or requirements, so cannot offer |
suggestions. However, just because you have MQ on one system does not
force you to use MQ. Depending upon your requirements you can possibly
use other communication methods.
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simonvarley@hotmail.com
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Thanks to all. Excellent answers. I'll check it out. |
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Mission Critical Consulti
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Having worked with MQSeries 5.2 on OpenVMS, I was very disappointed
with the lack of tools available for it on OpenVMS. IBM ported the
core product, but not the tools. Their documentation is pretty good
though.
As Mr. Main mentioned, there are other messaging products that have
MQSeries adapters available. I think TIBCO does. However, unless you
already have a corporate messaging backbone that has an MQSeries
adapter, getting MQSeries would avoid any possible differences that an
adapter may have.
I would recommend investigating QN-AppWatch and QN-StatWatch from
Reconda (www.reconda.com) for MQSeries management.
Main, Kerry wrote:
| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: simonvarley@hotmail.com [mailto:simonvarley@hotmail.com]
Sent: February 9, 2005 1:12 PM
To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
Subject: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host?
In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not
been able to answer the question of whether two different and
geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries
and
the other does not?
Thanks
Simon
Simon,
To communicate, each host must agree on the protocols to be used. If
one
is using the proprietary protocols of MQ Series, then that is what
the
other host must also use.
On OpenVMS, you can use MQ Series V5.3 as well, but if you are
looking
for other compatible App messaging options, you may want to consider
the
SpiritSoft app messaging products. They are JMS industry std based,
but
also have a MQ Series adapter as well.
Reference:
http://www.spiritsoft.com
Regards
Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)
"OpenVMS has always had integrity ..
Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." |
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Main, Kerry
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject:
RE: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host?
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| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: simonvarley@hotmail.com [mailto:simonvarley@hotmail.com]
Sent: February 9, 2005 1:12 PM
To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
Subject: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host?
In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not
been able to answer the question of whether two different and
geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries and
the other does not?
Thanks
Simon
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Simon,
To communicate, each host must agree on the protocols to be used. If one
is using the proprietary protocols of MQ Series, then that is what the
other host must also use.
On OpenVMS, you can use MQ Series V5.3 as well, but if you are looking
for other compatible App messaging options, you may want to consider the
SpiritSoft app messaging products. They are JMS industry std based, but
also have a MQ Series adapter as well.
Reference:
http://www.spiritsoft.com
Regards
Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)
"OpenVMS has always had integrity ..
Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." |
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John Smith
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Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 561
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject:
Re: Can I talk to MQSeries from a non-MQSeries host?
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simonvarley@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | OK, I have to have MQ on both systems.
That's a pity since for me MQ is just an additional layer duplicating
the stuff I have in my existing applications. Hopefully, there is
someway to get it to passthrough without being too much of a resource
hog. I'll find out during the MQ training class I'll have to schedule.
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Don't knock it. MQ is extremely good at what it does - asynchronous
store/foreward message queueing. If you have a need for it, use it.
Learn about its capabilities.
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simonvarley@hotmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 4
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject:
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OK, I have to have MQ on both systems.
That's a pity since for me MQ is just an additional layer duplicating
the stuff I have in my existing applications. Hopefully, there is
someway to get it to passthrough without being too much of a resource
hog. I'll find out during the MQ training class I'll have to schedule.
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Simon |
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John Smith
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Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Posts: 561
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject:
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John Santos wrote:
| Quote: | In article <1107972718.571027.53640@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
simonvarley@hotmail.com says...
In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not
been able to answer the question of whether two different and
geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries
and the other does not?
Thanks
Simon
MQseries is a layered application (middleware) that runs on top of
TCP/IP. (I don't know if it runs on any other transports as well.)
It doesn't block any other form of TCP/IP (or DECnet or LAT or X.25
or SCS or ...) communications.
Both hosts must have MQSeries installed, in order to communicate
using MQSeries. Both hosts must have TCP/IP installed to communicate
using TCP/IP. Both hosts must have DECnet installed to communicate
using DECnet. Nothing prevents a host from having more than one
type of network transport installed, or more than one layered network
application installed.
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No message queue product on each end = no message passing.
There was some discussion years ago about message queue product
interoperability (ie. MQ, DECmessageQ, MSMQ, and a couple others) but I
never followed the discussions to know whether they ever came to any
agreements. We standardized on MQ.
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simonvarley@hotmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 4
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OK, so if I have a TCP/IP application on system A - that does not have
MQSeries and I have MQSeries over TCP/IP running on system B, the only
thing system A's TCP/IP application needs is the msg interface spec for
MQSeries and we're good to go?
If that's the case where is that msg format defined ?
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Simon |
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John Santos
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 25 May 2005
Posts: 189
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In article <1107972718.571027.53640@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
simonvarley@hotmail.com says...
| Quote: | In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not
been able to answer the question of whether two different and
geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries and
the other does not?
Thanks
Simon
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MQseries is a layered application (middleware) that runs on top of
TCP/IP. (I don't know if it runs on any other transports as well.)
It doesn't block any other form of TCP/IP (or DECnet or LAT or X.25
or SCS or ...) communications.
Both hosts must have MQSeries installed, in order to communicate
using MQSeries. Both hosts must have TCP/IP installed to communicate
using TCP/IP. Both hosts must have DECnet installed to communicate
using DECnet. Nothing prevents a host from having more than one
type of network transport installed, or more than one layered network
application installed.
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simonvarley@hotmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
Posts: 4
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject:
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In looking through the MQSeries docs and scouring the Web, I've not
been able to answer the question of whether two different and
geographically separate hosts can communicate if one uses MQSeries and
the other does not?
Thanks
Simon |
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