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denny
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WWW.HP.COM then SERVERS then "browse servers-by operating
system-Openvms" .
That's it. it was right there!!! |
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Main, Kerry
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From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]
Sent: February 8, 2005 5:58 PM
To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
Subject: Re: Full page color HP ad for
Keith Parris wrote:
Sun themselves ported Solaris to Itanium a few years ago:
There is a huge difference between a pilot project to boot
the OS onto a
new platform and a real porting project.
Look at how quickly the engineers were able to do the first "boot" of
VMS on IA64 after the announcement of the alpya murder, and
compare this
to how long it took to get to January 18th when VMS was
officially made
available on IA64.
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A bit more background from the past on Solaris and Merced/Itanium:
Sun Announcement for Merced platform: (Dec 1997)
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9712/sunflash.971216.3.html
"SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 16, 1997 -- Sun Microsystems, Inc., and Intel
Corporation today announced that they are cooperating to optimize Sun's
Solaris operating environment for Intel's future Merced processor. Sun
will deliver a 64-bit optimized version of the Solaris software for
Merced at the time of Merced-based system availability, expected in
1999.
The cooperative effort will extend Sun's current success with Solaris to
Intel's IA-64 Merced processor. This is significant for customers who
require an operating environment that fully leverages the performance
and scalability that the Solaris operating environment on the Merced
processor will deliver.
Under the agreement, Intel will support Sun's efforts on porting and
optimizing the full Solaris operating environment for Merced-based
systems. In addition, Sun also announced today a Solaris on Intel
porting and tuning center designed to help ISVs and OEMs tune and
optimize applications for Solaris on Intel. As part of the program,
Intel will provide technical support. In addition, the two companies
will expand their efforts on IA-32 and IA-64 server platform
initiatives."
[snip ..]
(Oct 1999):
http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/10/26/solaris_on_ia64_is_undead/
"Fujitsu Siemens' decision to go with its own SPARC chip in its servers,
rather than Sun's UltraSPARC III or Intel's Itanium (aka Merced) caused
some of the UK's more rabid hacks to blether on about the death of
Solaris on IA-64. However, Sun itself, with a little help from Chipzilla
engineers, has quietly got on with it and announced that Solaris has now
successfully booted on early samples of Itanium at Intel's labs in
Beaverton, US. "With Solaris now running on the Itanium processor, Sun
has achieved another key milestone [What exactly were the other ones? --
Ed] on our IA-64 road map," said Rich Green, VP of Sun's Solaris
Products Group. While Sun goes on at some length about the whole reason
for the port being to protect customer investments, etc, etc, it doesn't
hide the fact that the software bits of Sun have always had a pretty
cosy relationship with Intel, probably a good deal cosier than Smiling
Scott McNealy would like. Asking Sun if Solaris on Merced marks the
beginning of the end for the proprietary SPARC architecture meets with a
firm official "No", but with Sun belonging to a fast-shrinking band of
non-IA vendors, how long can the inevitable be put off? Does anyone
remember SGI's vehement protestations of maintaining hardware
independence last year?
And something more current: (July 2004)
http://news.com.com/Sun+ponders+Solaris+for+Power%2C+Itanium/2100-1016_3
-5277375.html
"Solaris is working on Itanium servers in the lab, Schwartz said."
| Quote: | You can also look at Windows 2000 (I think) that had been ported to
Alpha but never productized.
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Well, given Digital/Compaq Engineers did all the OS porting, testing and
packaging of Windows NT4 and Windows 2000 beta2 (last semi-official
release for Windows on Alpha) in Digital/Compaq facilities, once Compaq
announced they were pulling out Alpha support for Windows platforms,
Microsoft could not very well productize it could they?
[insert coulda, shoulda, mighta stuff next]
Regards
Kerry Main
Senior Consultant
HP Services Canada
Voice: 613-592-4660
Fax: 613-591-4477
kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
(remove the DOT's and AT)
"OpenVMS has always had integrity ..
Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." |
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JF Mezei
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Keith Parris wrote:
| Quote: | Sun themselves ported Solaris to Itanium a few years ago:
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There is a huge difference between a pilot project to boot the OS onto a
new platform and a real porting project.
Look at how quickly the engineers were able to do the first "boot" of
VMS on IA64 after the announcement of the alpya murder, and compare this
to how long it took to get to January 18th when VMS was officially made
available on IA64.
You can also look at Windows 2000 (I think) that had been ported to
Alpha but never productized. |
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John Smith
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Keith Parris wrote:
| Quote: | CJT wrote:
John Smith wrote:
No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install
Solaris on it.
Perhaps if you port it.
Sun themselves ported Solaris to Itanium a few years ago:
http://news.com.com/2008-1082-248986.html?legacy=cnet
Quoting Sun's Ed Zander in 2000:
"We ported Solaris to Intel... We entered into a deal with Intel
several years ago to do Itanium. We did it."
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Does his "We did it" refer to:
a) the act of porting to an unspecified Intel architecture chip
b) Itanic specifically.
c) The agreement to port.
d) Zander's statement is to ambiguous to know exactly what he meant.
e) All of the above.
f) None of the above - it was all hype.
When were the first Itanic chips shipped? |
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Keith Parris
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CJT wrote:
| Quote: | John Smith wrote:
No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install
Solaris on it.
Perhaps if you port it.
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Sun themselves ported Solaris to Itanium a few years ago:
http://news.com.com/2008-1082-248986.html?legacy=cnet
Quoting Sun's Ed Zander in 2000:
"We ported Solaris to Intel... We entered into a deal with Intel several
years ago to do Itanium. We did it." |
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Bob Koehler
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In article <1107547864.335904.312730@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net> writes:
But if you try to follow the buy it online links, you end up at
a page where the OS selection lists only variations of Linux.
So I guess you have to wend your way through there phone system. |
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Bob Koehler
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In article <1107547864.335904.312730@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net> writes:
This is the first time I've seen HP state out load that HP Telco
servers run VMS. |
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JF Mezei
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denny wrote:
How did you navigate from www.hp.com to that page ?
I tried navigating from ww.whp.com to "small and medium business".
(since VMS is only available on small IA64s right now). I did get to a
page that shows Proliant, HP9000 Integrity and Alpha Servers. And that
is good. (the fact that mainstream users who don't specifically ask for
Alpha/VMS would get to a page that shows their availability).
From that page, I got to:
http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/index.html
And while VMS is not mentioned, openVMS is mentioned (last) in the list
of OS on the left of the page. So that is a big improvement.
But clicking on the "openVMS" thing gets you to:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/index.html
Which is essentially a press release of janb 18th announcement that VMS
was available on that IA64 thing. But on the left are a lot of useful
vms related links. Now, if the previouew page linked to the page you
quoted (the one with "byos" in the URL) it would have made a bigger splash. |
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denny
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david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk
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In article <36hd7pF52kpucU3@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
| Quote: | In article <4202DD53.58C33606@comcast.net>,
David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:
John Smith wrote:
.....Itanic servers in my local paper today.
No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris
on it.
I do lurk on alt.solaris.x86. I've not seen mention of it, but I skip a
lot of stuff...
Currently, Solaris runs on Sparc and x86. I would not expect Sun
to port it to anything else. But maybe when (if?) it actually
becomes opensource!!
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Sun were talking about it in July 2004 see
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5277375.html
and remember back in 1998 Sun was porting Solaris to Itanium
see the comment attached to the above article
http://news.zdnet.com/5208-3513-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=4362&messageID=90732
As I recall the rumour at the time was that they had pretty much completed the
port before they changed their mind. Hence, although I doubt they would want
to, Sun could probably complete a port in an extremely short time.
David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University
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bill
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Bill Gunshannon
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In article <4202DD53.58C33606@comcast.net>,
David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:
| Quote: | John Smith wrote:
.....Itanic servers in my local paper today.
No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris
on it.
I do lurk on alt.solaris.x86. I've not seen mention of it, but I skip a
lot of stuff...
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Currently, Solaris runs on Sparc and x86. I would not expect Sun
to port it to anything else. But maybe when (if?) it actually
becomes opensource!!
bill
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Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton |
Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h> |
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CJT
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John Smith wrote:
| Quote: | .....Itanic servers in my local paper today.
No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris
on it.
Perhaps if you port it. |
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David J Dachtera
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John Smith wrote:
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.....Itanic servers in my local paper today.
No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris
on it.
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I do lurk on alt.solaris.x86. I've not seen mention of it, but I skip a
lot of stuff...
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dba DJE Systems
http://www.djesys.com/
Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/
Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/
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John Smith
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......Itanic servers in my local paper today.
No mention of *any* operating system. Guess that means I can install Solaris
on it. |
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