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zolo
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 Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Is there _any_ way to do proper multitrack recording on Octane?
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Atro Tossavainen wrote:
| Quote: | Is there _any_ way that I will be able to use the Octane as a proper
digital multitrack recording workstation? I really don't feel like
doing this on Linux, and I certainly am not going to touch either
Windows or Macintosh. Is it a dead end?
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The Macintosh seems to be good enough for practically the
entire professional music industry...
I supposed that somewhere there are video enthusiasts who
refuse to use anything but the Amiga. They've been left
behind while the rest of the world evolved.
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Walther Mathieu
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:
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Atro Tossavainen wrote:
| Quote: | Then it hit me: I have no software.
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Too sad Steinberg Nuendo for IRIX never made it out of the lab.
It seems they decided to port to Windows before it was available.
Nice screenshots,t hough. Go google...
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healyzh@aracnet.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject:
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In comp.sys.sgi.audio zolo <zolo@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Atro Tossavainen wrote:
Is there _any_ way that I will be able to use the Octane as a proper
digital multitrack recording workstation? I really don't feel like
doing this on Linux, and I certainly am not going to touch either
Windows or Macintosh. Is it a dead end?
The Macintosh seems to be good enough for practically the
entire professional music industry...
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More importantly software exists, is obtainable, and depending on what you
get in the way of hardware and software probably won't require selling a
Kidney.
Personally I rather wish the o2 was better suited for such things, as it
would make a nice DAW if I had a high quality audio interface and good
software.
| Quote: | I supposed that somewhere there are video enthusiasts who
refuse to use anything but the Amiga. They've been left
behind while the rest of the world evolved.
-zolo
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I tend to suspect that anyone left in this catagory is more of an Amiga
Fantatic than a video enthusiast.
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zolo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:53 am Post subject:
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healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:
| Quote: | In comp.sys.sgi.audio zolo <zolo@nospam.net> wrote:
Atro Tossavainen wrote:
Is there _any_ way that I will be able to use the Octane as a proper
digital multitrack recording workstation? I really don't feel like
doing this on Linux, and I certainly am not going to touch either
Windows or Macintosh. Is it a dead end?
The Macintosh seems to be good enough for practically the
entire professional music industry...
More importantly software exists, is obtainable, and depending on what you
get in the way of hardware and software probably won't require selling a
Kidney.
Personally I rather wish the o2 was better suited for such things, as it
would make a nice DAW if I had a high quality audio interface and good
software.
I supposed that somewhere there are video enthusiasts who
refuse to use anything but the Amiga. They've been left
behind while the rest of the world evolved.
-zolo
I tend to suspect that anyone left in this catagory is more of an Amiga
Fantatic than a video enthusiast.
Zane
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I see you've grasped my point. ;)
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Atro Tossavainen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:29 am Post subject:
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zolo <zolo@nospam.net> writes:
| Quote: | The Macintosh seems to be good enough for practically the
entire professional music industry...
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Yes. But like I said, my $DAYJOB involves being a UNIX administrator,
so IRIX is a comfortable environment for me. I also already have the
hardware. I don't have a Mac or the necessary add-on hardware to do
pro audio on it, and I don't want a Mac either. If this whole thing
means purchasing more hardware would be necessary, I'll probably just
forget about the whole thing, sell off the 8-channel AD/DA/ADAT box,
and continue being happy doing two-track digital straight to DAT which
I already know I can edit on the Octane.
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Atro Tossavainen (Mr.) / The Institute of Biotechnology at
Systems Analyst, Techno-Amish & / the University of Helsinki, Finland,
+358-9-19158939 UNIX Dinosaur / employs me, but my opinions are my own.
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Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski
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| Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | I tend to suspect that anyone left in this catagory is more of an Amiga
Fantatic than a video enthusiast.
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That's where you're wrong: I'm both of that ;-)
However, I do video on PS and Indy, and I do music on Amiga, and CS1x, U220
and Wavestation  :-p
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zolo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject:
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Atro Tossavainen wrote:
If this whole thing
| Quote: | means purchasing more hardware would be necessary, I'll probably just
forget about the whole thing, sell off the 8-channel AD/DA/ADAT box,
and continue being happy doing two-track digital straight to DAT which
I already know I can edit on the Octane.
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Out of curiosity, which AD/DA/ADAT box do you have?
I know that the later versions of discreet smoke (Octane2
and Tezro) use a Lucid ADA8824. Of course, those systems
are a bit pricey... ;-)
You might try using the IRIX version of Premiere 4.2 as an
audio editor. Not sure if it supports the ADAT I/O though,
and it's a bit of a kludge, since Premiere is a video
editing app.
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David Shaffer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Then it hit me: I have no software. I figured putting in the latest
and greatest OS release with everything included should have done the
job, since some tools to that effect are included. (Yes, I know what
I am doing. My day job consists of administering SGI machines for
bio* purposes, and I've been doing this for years.)
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Sountrack can do ADAT I/O. There is a dialog somewhere (I don't recall
off-hand) that allows you to select to use 8 channel input and output.
I have used it with a MOTU 828 mkII.
Some of the Audio loops/samples that I use were created on my Octane
using the ADAT I/O. And most of my samples were "normalized" and
processed using my Octane. In the end, I used Logic and Apple mostly
because of the ability to use MIDI instruments as audio (a midi
instrument playing along side other recordings).
And yes, I have had it (Soundtrack) freeze on me as well. It has
something to do with having the I/O settings different than Audio
Panel. When I use Soundtrack, I make sure that all audio settings
match.
Someday, I hope to have some time to write a simple recording app that
does audio clips w/ MIDI clips as well. The SGI audio/midi APIs are
pretty nice. .. just need to make the time.
http://homepage.mac.com/shaffer.david/
PS. If you're going to use the ADAT I/O, make sure that you have set
ADAT as the default in AudioPanel and make sure sample rates and width
are set correctly or you'll get the lock-up problems. |
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arie van schutterhoef
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I have used it with a MOTU 828 mkII.
-Curious about how you connected it to the Octane... |
Was it the ADAT or the PCI connection?
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Atro Tossavainen
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Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:39 am Post subject:
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zolo <zolo@nospam.net> writes:
| Quote: | Out of curiosity, which AD/DA/ADAT box do you have?
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Behringer ADA8000.
| Quote: | I know that the later versions of discreet smoke (Octane2
and Tezro) use a Lucid ADA8824. Of course, those systems
are a bit pricey...
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I just got whatever the local pro audio shop was offering.
| Quote: | You might try using the IRIX version of Premiere 4.2 as an
audio editor. Not sure if it supports the ADAT I/O though,
and it's a bit of a kludge, since Premiere is a video
editing app.
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Indeed. And I'd have to get hold of Premiere first.
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Atro Tossavainen (Mr.) / The Institute of Biotechnology at
Systems Analyst, Techno-Amish & / the University of Helsinki, Finland,
+358-9-19158939 UNIX Dinosaur / employs me, but my opinions are my own.
< URL : http : / / www . helsinki . fi / %7E atossava / > NO FILE ATTACHMENTS |
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Atro Tossavainen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:04 am Post subject:
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"David Shaffer" <shaffer.david@mac.com> writes:
| Quote: | Sountrack can do ADAT I/O. There is a dialog somewhere (I don't recall
off-hand) that allows you to select to use 8 channel input and output.
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I have seen the "Use 8 channel output" in the Tracks menu, but I haven't
seen a corresponding menu option for input anywhere, and the track-specific
input selectors don't do anything other than "None/Left Ch/Right Ch".
| Quote: | And yes, I have had it (Soundtrack) freeze on me as well. It has
something to do with having the I/O settings different than Audio
Panel. When I use Soundtrack, I make sure that all audio settings
match.
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There's hardly anything there. I've set the AD/DA/ADAT box to talk
44.1 kHz to the outside world, and this reflects automatically in the
Audio Panel's view of the ADAT input. I've also set the Analog Out
to 44.1 kHz, and my Soundtrack project is in 44.1 kHz.
| Quote: | Someday, I hope to have some time to write a simple recording app that
does audio clips w/ MIDI clips as well. The SGI audio/midi APIs are
pretty nice. .. just need to make the time.
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If you have the expertise, what about contributing an SGI interface
to Ardour?
| Quote: | PS. If you're going to use the ADAT I/O, make sure that you have set
ADAT as the default in AudioPanel and make sure sample rates and width
are set correctly or you'll get the lock-up problems.
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I guess I have to see if the ADA8000 only outputs 24-bit.
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Atro Tossavainen (Mr.) / The Institute of Biotechnology at
Systems Analyst, Techno-Amish & / the University of Helsinki, Finland,
+358-9-19158939 UNIX Dinosaur / employs me, but my opinions are my own.
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David Shaffer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:08 am Post subject:
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arie van schutterhoef wrote:
| Quote: | I have used it with a MOTU 828 mkII.
-Curious about how you connected it to the Octane...
Was it the ADAT or the PCI connection?
AvS
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I used the ADAT directly.
I also have a little Yamaha mixer that has ADAT and SPDIF support. I
don't believe that there is a port that has gone unused on my SGI. I
kinda tinkered with everything.
I don't have the PCI option on my Octane. |
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David Shaffer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:25 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | seen the "Use 8 channel output" in the Tracks menu, but I haven't
seen a corresponding menu option for input anywhere, and the
track-specific
input selectors don't do anything other than "None/Left Ch/Right Ch".
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Well.. I don't recall what I did for input. I thought that I was able
to select it in the track as you describe.
| Quote: | There's hardly anything there. I've set the AD/DA/ADAT box to talk
44.1 kHz to the outside world, and this reflects automatically in the
Audio Panel's view of the ADAT input. I've also set the Analog Out
to 44.1 kHz, and my Soundtrack project is in 44.1 kHz.
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That sounds correct. But make sure the bit-width is the same.
Also, when you create a new project you can select 48kHz I/O, etc..
but again, make sure everything matches. One other thing that I
remember is that I used the SGI clock. I set the MOTU unit to use the
external clock (the SGI clock).
| Quote: | If you have the expertise, what about contributing an SGI interface
to Ardour?
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I am unfamiliar with Ardour. It appeared that Rosegarden would be
fairly successful. But, I lost track of how that project was doing.
If I only had time... getting married, having kids.. man, what can I
say? I have no time!
Also, I recently bought the Abelton Live program for OSX. That has got
to be the single coolest product for music production that I have ever
used. So for the spare time that I have, I spend playing. C'est la
vie!
| Quote: | I guess I have to see if the ADA8000 only outputs 24-bit.
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Yep. It makes a difference. |
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Atro Tossavainen
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:30 am Post subject:
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"David Shaffer" <shaffer.david@mac.com> writes:
| Quote: | Also, when you create a new project you can select 48kHz I/O, etc..
but again, make sure everything matches. One other thing that I
remember is that I used the SGI clock. I set the MOTU unit to use the
external clock (the SGI clock).
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Have to try that.
| Quote: | If I only had time... getting married, having kids.. man, what can I
say? I have no time!
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Sounds so familiar...
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Atro Tossavainen (Mr.) / The Institute of Biotechnology at
Systems Analyst, Techno-Amish & / the University of Helsinki, Finland,
+358-9-19158939 UNIX Dinosaur / employs me, but my opinions are my own.
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Ralf Gauglitz
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| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:33 am Post subject:
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High here,
| Quote: | Is there _any_ way that I will be able to use the Octane as a proper
digital multitrack recording workstation? I really don't feel like
doing this on Linux, and I certainly am not going to touch either
Windows or Macintosh. Is it a dead end?
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No, it isn't. APanel can play 8 ADAT tracks. You just have to set this
manually in
..audiopanelrc
make sure you switch off monitoring Line In and AES IN !. Make ADAT Out
your default out. Set Your ADAT out to 48 kHz (what else ?) and be sure
that the AES out isn't working too ! That the odd thing. Sometimes I
fire up the machine and ADAT Out AND AES out are switched on. Sounds
pretty weird - I used it for FX already But there are only 2 ADAT
track to hear just like you wrote.
So you'd see and hear all 8 channels.
For multitracking Soundtrack will do with this preferences.
Built 8 oder how much track you need (build them new !) toggle all of
them to record and move with the cursor over all tracks to activate them
go for some more time as you really need. (They change their color then.
yellow - with the color scheme I use). I know it sounds a bit weird but
it works. Looks like Soundtrack has got a BBoB (Big Box o'Bugs), If it
still doesn't work, switch every track to solo (the star in the upper
line). I know that makes absolutely no sense - but that worx too !
You should now be able to record 8 tracks together.
You know that (Linux) soft called MIX ? It's ported to 6.5 and works.
Looks ugly but works fine. For FX and stuff I'd suggest DAP, but you
surely have that soft already.
To your problem: Maybe you consider robbing a bank or something and buy
some Steinberg stuff ! Yes, they sell 'inofficially' for example CuBase
for IRIX but for pretty high prices.
Maybe you'll get your hand on some (professional) VIDEO soft like AVID
or even Premiere (it's also available for IRIX !). The all do at least 8
tracks from whatever input you choose. Just remove all the Video tracks
so ou have enough room for the audio tracks.
BTW: I LOOOVE Amiga's I never will forgive myself ! I sold my
3000T/040 PPS Proc, Cybervision Gfx bla.... I was such an idiot. It was
always the "poor mans' SGI" but many things were better...
Hope that helps to get you started
Cheers
Ralf
Questions ? Don't hesitate !
rga@3d-artworx.de
http://www.3d-artworx.de
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http://www.artworx-studios.co.uk |
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