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mjt
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Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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Alan wrote:
| Quote: | I'm running Suse 9.1 Pro and did an online update of packages through
Yast. Shutdown the computer and upon booting later, the system does all
it usual stuff and appears to book fine. However when at the point when
it should startX and show the Login and password boxes, the screen just
goes blank.
Has anyone experienced this problem and if so willing to share their
pearls of wisdom?
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.... check the logs in /var/log ?
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mjt
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Greg Finnigan wrote:
.... hmmm. a mac user browsing in a Linux newsgroup.
the orig post was ONLY to AOLS, but this idiot decided
to browse around in AOLS and x-post back into the
advocacy groups.
yea, that makes sense.
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mjt
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Greg Finnigan wrote:
| Quote: | Tell me, why is Linux's desktop market share so dismal?
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once again, this mac idiot is browing in AOLS and then
ADDS the advocacy groups.
Linux is more pervasive on the server side of the
equation. eventually, it will be on the desktop.
moreso than the mac is. show us the stats where
the mac dominates the desktop?
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houghi
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Alan wrote:
| Quote: | Has anyone experienced this problem and if so willing to share their
pearls of wisdom?
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Have not had that happen.
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Oh please don't tell me another re-install!
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reinstalation will hardly ever solve a real problem. What probably
happens is that you have gotten a kernel update and you also have an
NVidea card. That means you must follow the steps for your driver again.
Otherwise go to 'init 3', log in as root and rin sax2.
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Personally, I think most sports fans are a little "gay". They'd
rather watch a bunch of sweaty guys jumping all over eachother,
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R.F. Pels
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Mar 2005
Posts: 158
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject:
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Alan wrote:
| Quote: | I'm running Suse 9.1 Pro and did an online update of packages through
Yast. Shutdown the computer and upon booting later, the system does all
it usual stuff and appears to book fine. However when at the point when
it should startX and show the Login and password boxes, the screen just
goes blank.
Oh please don't tell me another re-install!
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When booting up, type a 3 at the moment that Linux is booting up. Then go
to /etc/X11 directory and replace in XF86config the nvidia value with the
value nv. Then do an init 5. Go to nvidia.com, download the latest package,
install it. If necessary, install the kernel source and gcc and make. Then
reboot.
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Greg Finnigan
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:37:44 +0000, Alan wrote:
| Quote: | I'm running Suse 9.1 Pro and did an online update of packages through
Yast. Shutdown the computer and upon booting later, the system does all
it usual stuff and appears to book fine. However when at the point when
it should startX and show the Login and password boxes, the screen just
goes blank.
Has anyone experienced this problem and if so willing to share their
pearls of wisdom?
Oh please don't tell me another re-install!
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Updating ANYTHING with Suse is a crap shoot, with the emphasis on C_R_A_P.
Try Mandrake.
If that doesn't work, try Slackware.
If that doesn't work, try Debian.
If that doesn't work, try Gentoo.
If that doesn't work, try Ubuntu.
If that doesn't work, try Fedora.
If that doesn't work, try Lycoris.
If that doesn't work, try knoppix.
And when all of those don't work, and they won't, buy yourself a Mac and
have a truly stable, easy to use, Unix system without all the bug riddled,
unstable software that Linux has to offer.
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Greg Finnigan
"Linux is Free Assuming Your Time Has no Value"
"Have You Compiled Your Kernel Today?"
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Greg Finnigan
*nix forums beginner
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:37:44 +0000, Alan wrote:
| Quote: | I'm running Suse 9.1 Pro and did an online update of packages through
Yast. Shutdown the computer and upon booting later, the system does all
it usual stuff and appears to book fine. However when at the point when
it should startX and show the Login and password boxes, the screen just
goes blank.
Has anyone experienced this problem and if so willing to share their
pearls of wisdom?
Oh please don't tell me another re-install!
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Updating ANYTHING with Suse is a crap shoot, with the emphasis on C_R_A_P.
Try Mandrake.
If that doesn't work, try Slackware.
If that doesn't work, try Debian.
If that doesn't work, try Gentoo.
If that doesn't work, try Ubuntu.
If that doesn't work, try Fedora.
If that doesn't work, try Lycoris.
If that doesn't work, try knoppix.
And when all of those don't work, and they won't, buy yourself a Mac and
have a truly stable, easy to use, Unix system without all the bug riddled,
unstable software that Linux has to offer.
--
Greg Finnigan
"Linux is Free Assuming Your Time Has no Value"
"Have You Compiled Your Kernel Today?"
"Linux, The Choice Of The Screwed Generation" |
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Liam Slider
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 120
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:47:58 -0500, Greg Finnigan wrote:
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Updating ANYTHING with Suse is a crap shoot, with the emphasis on C_R_A_P.
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I don't know about the *latest* SuSE actually. But I'd think it'd be
pretty good...
Mandrake's updating and installing is *awesome* I can tell you that.
| Quote: | If that doesn't work, try Slackware.
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Pfft, Slack is for the hard-core.
| Quote: | If that doesn't work, try Debian.
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Debian is certainly stable. And easy to install and update software for.
Alien is nice. Which something like it existed for Mandrake.
| Quote: | If that doesn't work, try Gentoo.
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Like slack, it's kind of hard-core...but in a different way.
| Quote: | If that doesn't work, try Ubuntu.
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This one's like debian, works great I hear.
| Quote: | If that doesn't work, try Fedora.
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Newest Fedora is Gnome based I believe isn't it? And comes with yum, which
makes install and upgrade easy.
| Quote: | If that doesn't work, try Lycoris.
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I think this too has easy to install and upgrade capabilities...
| Quote: | If that doesn't work, try knoppix.
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Same here, like debian, has apt.
In short, Almost any of these *would* be perfect yes.
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And when all of those don't work, and they won't,
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Sure they will. I'm using Mandrake 10.1 and it's working great!
| Quote: | buy yourself a Mac
and have a truly stable, easy to use, Unix system without all the bug
riddled, unstable software that Linux has to offer.
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What so great about OSX? I can't imagine what's so different about
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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hwmnpeer01.phx!hwmedia!hw-poster!fe11.lga.POSTED wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:37:44 +0000, Alan wrote:
I'm running Suse 9.1 Pro and did an online update of packages through
Yast. Shutdown the computer and upon booting later, the system does all
it usual stuff and appears to book fine. However when at the point when
it should startX and show the Login and password boxes, the screen just
goes blank.
Has anyone experienced this problem and if so willing to share their
pearls of wisdom?
Oh please don't tell me another re-install!
Updating ANYTHING with Suse is a crap shoot, with the emphasis on C_R_A_P.
Try Mandrake.
If that doesn't work, try Slackware.
If that doesn't work, try Debian.
If that doesn't work, try Gentoo.
If that doesn't work, try Ubuntu.
If that doesn't work, try Fedora.
If that doesn't work, try Lycoris.
If that doesn't work, try knoppix.
And when all of those don't work, and they won't, buy yourself a Mac and
have a truly stable, easy to use, Unix system without all the bug riddled,
unstable software that Linux has to offer.
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D D D DFS!!
What kind of a nym shifting bozo are you today then? |
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Greg Finnigan
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:10:48 -0600, Liam Slider wrote:
| Quote: | Mandrake's updating and installing is *awesome* I can tell you that.
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Over the years I have learned to take anything a Linux advocate says
with a very small grain of salt.
IOW if Linux was good everyone would be using it and they are not.
Considering Linux is free, that is a pretty powerful statement.
| Quote: | Pfft, Slack is for the hard-core.
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Is there any other kind of Linux user?
Either you are a member of the cult, or you are an outsider.
It's pretty obvious.
| Quote: | Debian is certainly stable. And easy to install and update software for.
Alien is nice. Which something like it existed for Mandrake.
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It should be considering it is still running kde 2.x.
Maybe they like living in the past?
Their packages really seem way out of date unless you select the
unstable tree, which is a real laugh since Linux itself is pretty
unstable.
| Quote: | Like slack, it's kind of hard-core...but in a different way.
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Yea, gentoo is for the real weird ones.
| Quote: | This one's like debian, works great I hear.
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Ubuntu looks like s**t. Someone needs to get a new set of eyeballs
because I can barely look at that desktop because the fonts are
terrible.
There might be a way to fix it, but it needs to be fixed.
| Quote: | Newest Fedora is Gnome based I believe isn't it? And comes with yum, which
makes install and upgrade easy.
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Yet another package manager, which proves the point that Linux is a
confused mess.
Tell me, does yum work with Suse?
Does Yast work with Fedora?
Does emerge work with Slackware?
How about Ubuntu?
| Quote: | In short, Almost any of these *would* be perfect yes.
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They are all disasters.
Free software that can't be given away.
Tell me, why is Linux's desktop market share so dismal?
| Quote: | Sure they will. I'm using Mandrake 10.1 and it's working great!
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Anything a Linux advocate says gets divided by 100 to reach an
accurate answer.
Most of you idiots lie, lie and lie some more.
Again, Linux is free. Why isn't is replacing Windows as a desktop
operating system?
Why do people spend money on a Mac instead of Linux?
Surely you can't blame all of this on Bill Gates?
Or maybe you can.
| Quote: | What so great about OSX? I can't imagine what's so different about
it...especially not any more.
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It works....................................
Unlike Linux...............................
I can hear the choir already................
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"Linux is Free Assuming Your Time Has no Value"
"Have You Compiled Your Kernel Today?"
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7
*nix forums addict
Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 85
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hwmnpeer01.phx!hwmedia!hw-poster!fe11.lga.POSTED wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:37:44 +0000, Alan wrote:
I'm running Suse 9.1 Pro and did an online update of packages through
Yast. Shutdown the computer and upon booting later, the system does all
it usual stuff and appears to book fine. However when at the point when
it should startX and show the Login and password boxes, the screen just
goes blank.
Has anyone experienced this problem and if so willing to share their
pearls of wisdom?
Oh please don't tell me another re-install!
Updating ANYTHING with Suse is a crap shoot, with the emphasis on C_R_A_P.
Try Mandrake.
If that doesn't work, try Slackware.
If that doesn't work, try Debian.
If that doesn't work, try Gentoo.
If that doesn't work, try Ubuntu.
If that doesn't work, try Fedora.
If that doesn't work, try Lycoris.
If that doesn't work, try knoppix.
And when all of those don't work, and they won't, buy yourself a Mac and
have a truly stable, easy to use, Unix system without all the bug riddled,
unstable software that Linux has to offer.
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D D D DFS!
Stop this nym shifting and trolling immediately. |
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7
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 85
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject:
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hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmedia!hw-poster!fe11.lga.POSTED wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:10:48 -0600, Liam Slider wrote:
Mandrake's updating and installing is *awesome* I can tell you that.
Over the years I have learned to take anything a Linux advocate says
with a very small grain of salt.
IOW if Linux was good everyone would be using it and they are not.
Considering Linux is free, that is a pretty powerful statement.
Pfft, Slack is for the hard-core.
Is there any other kind of Linux user?
Either you are a member of the cult, or you are an outsider.
It's pretty obvious.
Debian is certainly stable. And easy to install and update software for.
Alien is nice. Which something like it existed for Mandrake.
It should be considering it is still running kde 2.x.
Maybe they like living in the past?
Their packages really seem way out of date unless you select the
unstable tree, which is a real laugh since Linux itself is pretty
unstable.
Like slack, it's kind of hard-core...but in a different way.
Yea, gentoo is for the real weird ones.
This one's like debian, works great I hear.
Ubuntu looks like s**t. Someone needs to get a new set of eyeballs
because I can barely look at that desktop because the fonts are
terrible.
There might be a way to fix it, but it needs to be fixed.
Newest Fedora is Gnome based I believe isn't it? And comes with yum,
which makes install and upgrade easy.
Yet another package manager, which proves the point that Linux is a
confused mess.
Tell me, does yum work with Suse?
Does Yast work with Fedora?
Does emerge work with Slackware?
How about Ubuntu?
In short, Almost any of these *would* be perfect yes.
They are all disasters.
Free software that can't be given away.
Tell me, why is Linux's desktop market share so dismal?
Sure they will. I'm using Mandrake 10.1 and it's working great!
Anything a Linux advocate says gets divided by 100 to reach an
accurate answer.
Most of you idiots lie, lie and lie some more.
Again, Linux is free. Why isn't is replacing Windows as a desktop
operating system?
Why do people spend money on a Mac instead of Linux?
Surely you can't blame all of this on Bill Gates?
Or maybe you can.
What so great about OSX? I can't imagine what's so different about
it...especially not any more.
It works....................................
Unlike Linux...............................
I can hear the choir already................
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D D D DFS!
But you are just nym shifting and trolling and astro turfing.
You are not actually interested in the subjects you post.
How could you go and join the dark side DFS? |
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Liam Slider
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 120
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:24:34 -0500, Greg Finnigan wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:10:48 -0600, Liam Slider wrote:
Mandrake's updating and installing is *awesome* I can tell you that.
Over the years I have learned to take anything a Linux advocate says
with a very small grain of salt.
IOW if Linux was good everyone would be using it and they are not.
Considering Linux is free, that is a pretty powerful statement.
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Linux is Free as in Freedom.
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Pfft, Slack is for the hard-core.
Is there any other kind of Linux user?
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Yes.
| Quote: | Either you are a member of the cult, or you are an outsider.
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If you weren't posting from a Mac I'd think you were Flatfish.... I'm
guessing an Oxford sockpuppet then, since you seem to be the OSX
equivalent.
| Quote: | It's pretty obvious.
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Yes, you are.
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Debian is certainly stable. And easy to install and update software
for. Alien is nice. Which something like it existed for Mandrake.
It should be considering it is still running kde 2.x. Maybe they like
living in the past?
Their packages really seem way out of date unless you select the
unstable tree, which is a real laugh since Linux itself is pretty
unstable.
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Debian is primarily for servers, therefore the #1 concern is stability,
rather than cutting edge software.
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Like slack, it's kind of hard-core...but in a different way.
Yea, gentoo is for the real weird ones.
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No, just for techies.
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This one's like debian, works great I hear.
Ubuntu looks like s**t.
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Sure, sure...
| Quote: | Someone needs to get a new set of eyeballs
because I can barely look at that desktop because the fonts are
terrible.
There might be a way to fix it, but it needs to be fixed.
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I'd almost swear you were Flatfish....s/h/it harps on the non-existant
fonts problem in Linux too.
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Newest Fedora is Gnome based I believe isn't it? And comes with yum,
which makes install and upgrade easy.
Yet another package manager, which proves the point that Linux is a
confused mess.
Tell me, does yum work with Suse?
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No, why should it, it has YaST.
| Quote: | Does Yast work with Fedora?
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Why should it, it's not needed.
| Quote: | Does emerge work with Slackware?
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No, it's not needed.
No, it's not needed.
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In short, Almost any of these *would* be perfect yes.
They are all disasters.
Free software that can't be given away. Tell me, why is Linux's desktop
market share so dismal?
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Dismal? It's growing rapidly, being adopted everywhere. The only reason
it's total "market share" is so "dismal" is due to the illegal tactics of
Microsoft...same reason that is one reason for low Apple marketshare.
Well, one reason anyway.
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Sure they will. I'm using Mandrake 10.1 and it's working great!
Anything a Linux advocate says gets divided by 100 to reach an accurate
answer.
Most of you idiots lie, lie and lie some more.
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Now you aren't even being coherent.
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| Quote: | Why do people spend money on a Mac instead of Linux?
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What do you mean, 10% of all new desktop PCs being sold right now are
being sold with Linux pre-installed. That sounds like people are spending
money on Linux to me.
| Quote: | Surely you can't
blame all of this on Bill Gates? Or maybe you can.
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Partly yes.
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What so great about OSX? I can't imagine what's so different about
it...especially not any more.
It works....................................
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So does Linux.
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Linux...............................
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Oh really? Then what am I using? Sure looks like I'm using Linux...
| Quote: | I can hear the choir already.............
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Well, maybe you should stop smoking that stuff and then you wouldn't hear
things. |
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Snit
*nix forums beginner
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject:
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"Greg Finnigan" <finnigan_pin@yahoo.com> wrote in post
sJxNd.3385$dc.2126@fe11.lga on 2/6/05 4:24 PM:
| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:10:48 -0600, Liam Slider wrote:
Mandrake's updating and installing is *awesome* I can tell you that.
Over the years I have learned to take anything a Linux advocate says
with a very small grain of salt.
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For years Linux has been "just about" as good as the Mac, and yet they claim
Linux has improved a lot... and it still has not caught up.
Sort of like the Windows 3.1 ads that said it was as easy to use as a Mac.
And then the Win 95. And then the 98. Not sure if MS used the same tactic
for ME and XP, but it would not surprise me.
| Quote: | IOW if Linux was good everyone would be using it and they are not.
Considering Linux is free, that is a pretty powerful statement.
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Exactly... I hope Linux does well... but for now it is just not a serious
contender in the consumer space.
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Pfft, Slack is for the hard-core.
Is there any other kind of Linux user?
Either you are a member of the cult, or you are an outsider.
It's pretty obvious.
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Linspire and the like are tying to change that. I wish them well.
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Greg Finnigan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 17:43:02 -0600, Liam Slider wrote:
| Quote: | Linux is Free as in Freedom.
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Freedom from cost maybe.
However for most professional people, TIME is money and Linux consumes A
LOT OF TIME!
Maybe you are not a professional?
A hobbyist possibly?
A hardcore gamer? Oopps sorry, you wouldn't be using Linux if that was
true.
My bad.
| Quote: | If you weren't posting from a Mac I'd think you were Flatfish.... I'm
guessing an Oxford sockpuppet then, since you seem to be the OSX
equivalent.
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That's your problem, you assume too much and in the end make an ass of
yourself.
Do you have any idea how foolish this group looks calling every Tom, Dick
and Harry a Flatfish?
You look like a collective bunch of paranoid idiots.
thing like it existed for Mandrake.
| Quote: | Debian is primarily for servers, therefore the #1 concern is stability,
rather than cutting edge software.
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Really?
Where does it say that on their web page?
So are you saying kde 2.x is more stable than 3.x?
Is that what you are saying?
Does older mean more stable?
| Quote: | I'd almost swear you were Flatfish....s/h/it harps on the non-existent
fonts problem in Linux too.
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You might want to look here:
http://ed.asisaid.com/index.html
If not, you can find 1000's of other sites.
So they are all wrong and you are right?
I don't think so.
| Quote: | Dismal? It's growing rapidly, being adopted everywhere. The only reason
it's total "market share" is so "dismal" is due to the illegal tactics of
Microsoft...same reason that is one reason for low Apple market share.
Well, one reason anyway.
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Everywhere?
I don't see Linux ANYWHERE!
Not at my company.
Not at any of the 100 or so companies I visit monthly (I am a
salesperson) unless it is in a back room server farm which is
possible.
I certainly don't see it on the desktop and before you mention Largo
Fl.,Apple sells more copies of OSX in a day than Largo has users.
| Quote: | Now you aren't even being coherent.
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So says you.
You keep accusing me of being someone else which clearly I am not.
Sounds to me like you are the one incoherent.
Look up paranoia in the dictionary.
| Quote: | What do you mean, 10% of all new desktop PCs being sold right now are
being sold with Linux pre-installed. That sounds like people are spending
money on Linux to me.
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CV please......
10 percent?
You must be on some good drugs....
Proof please?
If not, please refrain from posting FUD.
Oh yea, and please don't talk about downloads, that is not an accurate
measurement because most people dump linux after trying it.
I've seen it many times and so have you.
Why?
Can't Linux stand on it's own merits?
Do you see MacHeads blaming Microsoft all the time?
Maybe once in a while, but 90 percent or more of COLA advocacy is
really slamming Microsoft and not advocating Linux.
Get a clue already and stop blaming others for Linux's failures.
Linux sucks.
Most people can't even install it and even if they do chances are it
won't support their printers, scanners, iPods and other hardware.
Let's talk ATI and Linux.
How about Canon and Linux?
Lexmark and Linux?
Want me to keep going?
You can cast blame anywhere you like but you know something (of course
you don't), nobody cares.
People want to use hardware.
Linux claims it is superior, yet hardware support is dismal unless you
are talking about some 1980's piece of hardware or a cross platform
thing like an IBM mainframe and then I concede.
| Quote: | Oh really? Then what am I using? Sure looks like I'm using Linux...
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That's your problem, not mine.
| Quote: | Well, maybe you should stop smoking that stuff and then you wouldn't hear
things.
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