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Rich Alderson
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Joined: 13 May 2005
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 Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Official Logo
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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
| Quote: | Of course, Chester was *not* the Cheshire Cat.
So wasn't Chester a DECUS thing rather than a DEC logo?
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JF Mezei
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Posts: 2556
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3
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Gib Copeland wrote:
| Quote: | a basic cluster formed. But, SCS isn't the only thing that determines
whether various instances of VMS play well together in a cluster. If you
don't shadow, fine. If you don't use the queue manager, fine. If you're
not worried that changes to the lock manager, XQP or RMS might corrupt
your disks, fine. May work for you, just not supported.
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OK, let me reformulate my question:
Does the software preemtively prevent cluster formation because of
version number, or does it allow any version to attempt to cluster with
failure occuring because someone tried to do something that was now
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Ken Fairfield
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3
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JF Mezei wrote:
[...]
| Quote: | OK, let me reformulate my question:
Does the software preemtively prevent cluster formation because of
version number, or does it allow any version to attempt to cluster with
failure occuring because someone tried to do something that was now
incompatible ?
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I seem to recall "preemtively". My memory could be wrong, but
I do remember seeing messages to the effect of, "incompatible
versions", while a booting system tried to join a cluster...
-Ken
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I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...
Ken Fairfield
D1C Automation VMS System Support
who: kenneth dot h dot fairfield
where: intel dot com |
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Joe Smith
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 483
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA
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Jay Maynard wrote:
| Quote: | On 2005-02-01, Carl Appellof <doctorcja@yahoo.com> wrote:
We know what hollywood would do to them. :(
Hey! Hollywood immortalized a PDP-10 opcode in the movie "TRON" (opcode
666, the Number of the Beast).
Oh? Tell me more.
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Opcodes on the PDP-10 are three octal digits, from 000 to 777.
One of which is the code to "Test Right-hand half of the accumulator,
set the tested bits to One, and skip the next instruction if any
of the tested bits is Nonzero" = TRON AC,BITS
http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/opcodes.html
-Joe |
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David B Sneddon - bigpond
*nix forums addict
Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Posts: 68
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3
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Ken Fairfield mentioned in passing:
| Quote: | JF Mezei wrote:
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OK, let me reformulate my question:
Does the software preemtively prevent cluster formation because of
version number, or does it allow any version to attempt to cluster with
failure occuring because someone tried to do something that was now
incompatible ?
I seem to recall "preemtively". My memory could be wrong, but
I do remember seeing messages to the effect of, "incompatible
versions", while a booting system tried to join a cluster...
-Ken
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One would expect it to be pre-emptive to ensure the data
integrity of the systems involved. Isn't that what VMS is
all about?
Regards,
Dave
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DBS freeware http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm |
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Stanley F. Quayle
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 158
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Suggestion for VAX VMS 8.2
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On 2 Feb 2005 at 13:39, Keith Cayemberg wrote:
| Quote: | I think SRI and all those CHARON-VAX Resellers out there should now be
mobilizing their customers and talking directly to HP about the
importance of having at a long-supported OpenVMS V8.2 base level (and
continuing new releases) for the VAX as an important market enhancer
and as a comfortable bridge(s) to the Itanium (or other future OpenVMS
platforms).
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I already beat HP up at the Partners meeting in November (or was it
December?) in Nashua, NH.
Of course, 80% of my customers are running V5.5, so it's not really
important...
[Quayle Consulting Inc., a CHARON-VAX reseller...]
--Stan Quayle
Quayle Consulting Inc.
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Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ +1 614-868-1363
8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA
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Paddy O'Brien
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 13 May 2005
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: OT: Battersea Power Station
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Roy,
:-)
ROTFLM*O
Regards, Paddy
Roy Omond wrote:
| Quote: | Paddy O'Brien wrote:
VAXman- wrote:
[...snip...]
Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge at
that time.
Yes, you are right. I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something.
Bummer! And there was me imagining that Paddy "Norfolk Lad" could
actually Walk on Water :-)
Ah well, another myth gone down the drain.
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Paddy O'Brien
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John,
Yes, probably happy days. No responsibilities, no kids -- but then I've
loved the kids and grandkids. Used to play in a darts team for the
local and in a "pop" band at holiday camps.
I started work with Eastern Electricity Board at 16. I gained my degree
later in life with the Open University -- and my last 18 yrs of life
with Open VMS  In .uk and .au, I've now worked for 43 1/2 years.
After EEB, I moved to CEGB HQ next to St Pauls in centre of London.
Regards, Paddy
John Laird wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 19:10:11 +1100, Paddy O'Brien
paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote:
John Laird wrote:
I've worked for the CEGB too, but only as a student. Happy days.
John,
Not able to write to your address ...
Where did you work, with whom, are/were you an electrical engineer?
Shouldn't be anything wrong with my email address (the nospam@ is a
misnomer) but every now and again I think something objects (wrongly) to the
hyphen, which is quite valid. You can try my work address which is john at
yrl dot co dot uk.
I worked two summers at the Marchwood research labs in the late 70s. My
first introduction to "proper" computing, including naturally, Adventure -
on a GEC 4080  Running simulations, adapting software, etc. I had one
boss who managed to set fire to his wastepaper basket just behind him, and
by the time that had triggered a smoke alarm, caused building evacuation ,
and two volunteers went back in to investigate, he was still sat at his desk
merrily smoking his pipe and ignoring the alarm... Park St used to send
down a couple of trees worth of line printer output every day, iirc.
Pay in the first summer was about £45/week which wasn't at all bad. The
following year I phoned up to see if I should apply again and they said that
wasn't necessary and a job was mine if I wanted it. On day one, I had to
drop into personnel to get a pass and it was casually mentioned that after a
bit of thought they had upped the pay - to £69/week ! Through the summer I
managed to earn about half of what my annual student grant amounted to,
which in those days was enough to live on. And after all that, one of my
supervisors wrote me a reference which my first full-time employers told me
had clinched my first job. As I said, happy days.
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Paddy O'Brien
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 3:03 pm Post subject:
Re: OT: Battersea Power Station
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VAXman- wrote:
| Quote: | In article <42008938.2050607@transgrid.com.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:
{...snip...}
Surely that trek didn't take you across the Millenium foot bridge at
that time.
Yes, you are right. I am suffering from Altzhiemers or something.
I did not even go by Tower Bridge. I am just remembering 20+ years ago
and just a few memories of the old power stations.
I was picturing you taking a deep breath and actually walking across. :)
Roy Omond felt the same My grandkids seem to get worried about my |
long hair and moustache too.
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At 60 years old, I am just doing this little memory thing.
Don't sweat it... My memories of London are probably pretty good because
I have been there 5 times since spring of 2002. When is the last time you
where there?
Brian, |
Not been back since I came to .au in 1982. My parents came over here in
1990 and my "kid brother" came in 2001 for my daughter's wedding. I
hdn't seen him for about 25 years, and he told me how much my birth town
of Norwich had changed since I left.
Regards, Paddy
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Joe Smith
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Re: disposition of largest private DEC collection in USA
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Jay Maynard wrote:
| Quote: | On 2005-02-01, Carl Appellof <doctorcja@yahoo.com> wrote:
We know what hollywood would do to them. :(
Hey! Hollywood immortalized a PDP-10 opcode in the movie "TRON" (opcode
666, the Number of the Beast).
Oh? Tell me more.
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And the computer graphics in the TRON movie were calculated on a PDP-10.
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Neil Rieck
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 13 May 2005
Posts: 274
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Re: How do I use terminal emulator with escape sequences?
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"Keith Cayemberg" <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:42014462$0$18568$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net...
| Quote: | john_20_28_2000@yahoo.com wrote:
Unless I've missed it, I haven't seen anyone describe direct cursor |
addressing. I've got an alarm delivery application that uses SYS$BRKTHRU to
put messages on line 24 of selected terminals and it works like this.
esc7 (save the current cursor position)
esc[24;1H (go to row 24, column 1)
xxx (output the alarm message)
esc[0K (clear to end of line)
esc8 (restore cursor position)
Like other examples listed by others, I've declared all my escape sequences
in a file which is included by anyone wishing to do direct manipulation of a
terminal or printer. Check out the following link if you are interested.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/demo_vms/device_controls.zip
Neil Rieck
Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,
Ontario, Canada.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html |
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Bob Koehler
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Re: Official Logo
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In article <mddbrb267zv.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
| Quote: | Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:
The Cheshire Cat was a good one.
Of course, Chester was *not* the Cheshire Cat.
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Chester? IIRC Albert. |
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Keith Cayemberg
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Re: OT: Battersea Power Station
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Paddy O'Brien wrote:
| Quote: | A few snips.
Keith Cayemberg wrote:
Just curious, is/was VMS being used in this power station?
Keith,
In my days (up to 1982), CEGB was an IBM/Amdahl shop -- 360/370. A few
other OS's for minor applications, but I cannot remember the details. I
cannot remember any DEC machines.
Way back, I was one of the first to install remote access to our
technical programs from our computing centre -- Park Street next to
Bankside PS. And the journey Vaxman did was my frequent pickup of
output. Our building was adjacewnt to St Pauls, until we eventually had
a remote printer, I had to make that journey for output. What fun we
had in the 1960's :-)
Thanks for the feedback. When I followed the Wiki link provided by John |
Laird, I realized from the closing dates that the adoption of OpenVMS
would be improbable.
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I'm also fascinated by it's impressive architecture.
I loved the history of the UK. Castles, cathedrals and all the rest.
And, power stations (even gas holders) had something about them. Pre
nationalisation, many cities (I was born in Norwich at end of war) had
local stations. They might not get too many architectural awards, but
they had a certain ambience.
I thought a little more about the attractiveness of the BPS, and I think |
it's in part due to the breakout optimism of the new age of
industrialization that it expresses. Here in Germany, most early
industrial age architecture didn't survive the wars. Most buildings
which were rebuilt in a former style, were either cathedrals, noble
estates or train stations. Industrial purposed buildings were more
likely to rebuild in the bland international style. Although there are a
few exceptions. The Continental Tyre Factory in Hannover-Limmer for
instance looks like a moated castle, at least from the riverside.
This factory was actually pictured to represent the stability and
security of OpenVMS in a recent iX Magazine article (in German) written
by Andreas Gruhl from Hannover. The article is not available online, but
a PDF can be purchased here.
http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ix/04/03/089/
Cheers!
Keith Cayemberg |
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Hoff Hoffman
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Re: vaxcluster vms v5.5-2 and v7.3
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In article <9eac7199.0502010043.369f54d@posting.google.com>, br@b-riis.dk (Bendix) writes:
:I am trying to add a VAX running VMS v7.3 to a cluster with two VAX'es
:running VMS v5.5-2.
The official version support matrix is in the Cluster Software Product
Description; in the Cluster SPD.
The (undocumented) cluster software protocol check -- which can
potentially be somewhat more lenient than the official configuration
support, but that the software check succeeds does not mean the
configuration will work nor that the configuration will be supported
-- are based on the system data cell CLU$GB_CLUVER -- the versions
must be within one for the protocol check to succeed.
You will fail the hard limit with V5.5-2 and V7.3, IIRC.
But again, the official mixed-version cluster support is the matrix
within the Cluster Software Product Description -- you might well
see crashes, corruptions or other problems, even if the protocol
check passes. This version check is the hard limit for mixing
versions, in other words, and does not necessarily indicate the
actual range of versions might work.
I don't immediately have a mapping of the CLU$GB_CLUVER versions
from various OpenVMS releases.
---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------
For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq
--------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------
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Mark Pizzolato
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 13 May 2005
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Re: SCSI ON A VAX 4000/500 - WHAT DO I NEED?
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"Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message
news:PrDCd.5069$5o6.1376@news.cpqcorp.net...
| Quote: | In article <E76dnckky6ap8EncRVn-ug@adelphia.com>, "John E. Malmberg"
wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:
:[followups set to comp.os.vms]
:Michael Kukat wrote:
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:> Sure, CD-ROM and TK50Z and stuff works. It's made for this and
supported by the
:> firmware. It even might be the firmware has no limitations in this
place and
:> can boot from hard disks here. But VMS doesn't support this controller
as a
:> hard disk controller. Pure political stuff. It has "just" 128KB buffer,
and is
:> not so intelligent like MSCP adapters, that's the reason why DEC sold
this just
:> as an interface for CD-ROMs and tapes. I didn't get any information
about this
:> thing, otherwise i would have written a driver for NetBSD for it But
in my
:> research i heard about the very bad implementation of this board. IIRC,
it was
:> something with the SCSI bus itself, no so much the controller logic.
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:As the KZQSA is an "ancient" adapter, I do not know the exact reasons
:that support is limited to CD-ROMs and Tapes.
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Sorry to so late on this subject....
I once did some testing on this controller and although disks 'did' work,
you'd hardly ever want to use them connected here.
The reason being the above mentioned 128K byte buffer. This was a buffer on
the board which appeared in Qbus memory space. The host CPU was responsible
for all data transfers to/from this buffer (i.e. there was NO DMA, so the
host CPU was the DMA engine). This was even worse than you might think (how
could that be) since memory acess cycles to Qbus memory were DRAMATICALLY
slower than normal memory accesses, the CPU was really sucked away. This
probably ended up making disk data transfers significantly more expensive
than console floppy access was on an 780. More expensive is relative since
the 780 was up to the task, but the 4000/500 was many times faster than the
780, but it was also just "up to the task" of performing these slow data
transfers, no CPU left for much of anything else if the application disk I/O
load was even slightly interesting.
- Mark Pizzolato |
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