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Beowulf
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 Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject:
Mandrake or Mandriva?
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So will the name of this newsgroup change or will a new one be created now
that Mandrake Linux is called Mandriva Linux? |
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Bit Twister
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:54 -0500, Beowulf wrote:
| Quote: | So will the name of this newsgroup change or will a new one be created now
that Mandrake Linux is called Mandriva Linux?
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only if someone puts forth the proposal to the news admins and we talk
about the proposal. Sorry I have no info on how that is done. |
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Blinky the Shark
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
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Bit Twister wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:54 -0500, Beowulf wrote:
So will the name of this newsgroup change or will a new one be created now
that Mandrake Linux is called Mandriva Linux?
only if someone puts forth the proposal to the news admins and we talk
about the proposal. Sorry I have no info on how that is done.
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David Mathog
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject:
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Bit Twister wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:54 -0500, Beowulf wrote:
So will the name of this newsgroup change or will a new one be created now
that Mandrake Linux is called Mandriva Linux?
only if someone puts forth the proposal to the news admins and we talk
about the proposal. Sorry I have no info on how that is done.
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Hopefully before that happens the Mandriva company will come to
its senses, realize what a horrible name Mandriva is, and change
it to something a little easier on the ears.
Jut out of curiosity, a question for any native French
or Portuguese speakers who may read this group: does
"Mandriva" sound as horrible in those languages as it
does in English?
For the "2005" release did they rename drakconf etc to
drivconf? (Blech.)
Why not "Mallard linux" (or some other species of duck?)
Then the drak* commands don't need to change sense since a
male duck is a drake. Or even "Mandarin linux", since
there's a Mandarin duck, and that name alone would probably
double their sales in Asia. Neither of these names currently
show up in a Groups Google, so if they are in use, they are
not much in use.
Regards,
David Mathog
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Wes Newell
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:10:57 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:54 -0500, Beowulf wrote:
So will the name of this newsgroup change or will a new one be created now
that Mandrake Linux is called Mandriva Linux?
only if someone puts forth the proposal to the news admins and we talk
about the proposal. Sorry I have no info on how that is done.
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user will have to request the new group from their news server admin. A
few servers will pick it up automataically, but that's a small percentage
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Chris F.A. Johnson
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject:
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 at 18:56 GMT, David Mathog wrote:
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Why not "Mallard linux" (or some other species of duck?)
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Dux?
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Blinky the Shark
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject:
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David Mathog wrote:
| Quote: | Bit Twister wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:54 -0500, Beowulf wrote:
So will the name of this newsgroup change or will a new one be created now
that Mandrake Linux is called Mandriva Linux?
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| Quote: | only if someone puts forth the proposal to the news admins and we talk
about the proposal. Sorry I have no info on how that is done.
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| Quote: | Hopefully before that happens the Mandriva company will come to
its senses, realize what a horrible name Mandriva is, and change
it to something a little easier on the ears.
Jut out of curiosity, a question for any native French
or Portuguese speakers who may read this group: does
"Mandriva" sound as horrible in those languages as it
does in English?
For the "2005" release did they rename drakconf etc to
drivconf? (Blech.)
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Great. Now it sounds like it's something that only involves drivers.
| Quote: | Why not "Mallard linux" (or some other species of duck?)
Then the drak* commands don't need to change sense since a
male duck is a drake. Or even "Mandarin linux", since
there's a Mandarin duck, and that name alone would probably
double their sales in Asia. Neither of these names currently
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The French are afraid of foreign words, remember? They're not going
to be using one that's about China. :)
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Blinky the Shark
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject:
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Wes Newell wrote:
| Quote: | It's not hard to create an alt.* group. And while they like to talk about
it first, it's not required. Anyone that knows how can create a new alt
group with never talking to anyone. If you do it, just don't admit to it
and most will probably never know who did it. Once created though, the
user will have to request the new group from their news server admin. A
few servers will pick it up automataically, but that's a small percentage
of servers.
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There should be a charter.
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Andrew Preater
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject:
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* David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>:
| Quote: | Hopefully before that happens the Mandriva company will come to
its senses, realize what a horrible name Mandriva is, and
change it to something a little easier on the ears.
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It really doesn't matter. I'm running LE 2005 but I still think
'Mandrake' rather than 'Mandriva'.
| Quote: | For the "2005" release did they rename drakconf etc to
drivconf? (Blech.)
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Nope, the drak* & *drake tools are the same. They can't just
change the names of everything - too much will break. Besides,
'drakconf' doesn't infringe on anyone's trademark.
BTW there are bits of Mandrake branding left over in Mandriva LE
2005. Quoth /etc/issue:
Mandrakelinux release 10.2 (Limited Edition 2005) for i586
Kernel 2.6.11-6mdk on an i686
And the boot messages greet you with "Welcome to Mandrakelinux
10.2".
| Quote: | Why not "Mallard linux" (or some other species of duck?) Then
the drak* commands don't need to change sense since a male duck
is a drake.
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Why not Mandrill Linux? Blinky can fork Mandrake, strip the
Mandriva branding (including that frankly scary penguin with
stars in his eyes) and release it, doing for Mandrake what CentOS
did for RHEL. Only it would be _much_ cooler. Mascot: monkey
with a wizard hat.
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Blinky the Shark
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Mandrake or Mandriva?
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Andrew Preater wrote:
| Quote: | * David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>:
Hopefully before that happens the Mandriva company will come to
its senses, realize what a horrible name Mandriva is, and
change it to something a little easier on the ears.
It really doesn't matter. I'm running LE 2005 but I still think
'Mandrake' rather than 'Mandriva'.
For the "2005" release did they rename drakconf etc to
drivconf? (Blech.)
Nope, the drak* & *drake tools are the same. They can't just
change the names of everything - too much will break. Besides,
'drakconf' doesn't infringe on anyone's trademark.
BTW there are bits of Mandrake branding left over in Mandriva LE
2005. Quoth /etc/issue:
Mandrakelinux release 10.2 (Limited Edition 2005) for i586
Kernel 2.6.11-6mdk on an i686
And the boot messages greet you with "Welcome to Mandrakelinux
10.2".
Why not "Mallard linux" (or some other species of duck?) Then
the drak* commands don't need to change sense since a male duck
is a drake.
Why not Mandrill Linux? Blinky can fork Mandrake, strip the
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There ya go. :)
| Quote: | Mandriva branding (including that frankly scary penguin with
stars in his eyes) and release it, doing for Mandrake what CentOS
did for RHEL. Only it would be _much_ cooler. Mascot: monkey
with a wizard hat.
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Nice image. :)
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Beowulf
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:11 pm Post subject:
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David Mathog wrote:
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| Quote: | Hopefully before that happens the Mandriva company will come to
its senses, realize what a horrible name Mandriva is, and change
it to something a little easier on the ears..
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I like the name Mandriva far better than Mandrake. To each his own I guess,
it is subjective. I hated the name Mandrake, made me think of the mandrake
plant or a male duck (drake). Mandriva is not a dictionary word at all and
so is more symbolic and abstract, like Xerox, etc. |
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John C Danielson II
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject:
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David Mathog wrote:
| Quote: | Bit Twister wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:46:54 -0500, Beowulf wrote:
So will the name of this newsgroup change or will a new one be
created now
that Mandrake Linux is called Mandriva Linux?
only if someone puts forth the proposal to the news admins and we talk
about the proposal. Sorry I have no info on how that is done.
Hopefully before that happens the Mandriva company will come to
its senses, realize what a horrible name Mandriva is, and change
it to something a little easier on the ears.
Jut out of curiosity, a question for any native French
or Portuguese speakers who may read this group: does
"Mandriva" sound as horrible in those languages as it
does in English?
For the "2005" release did they rename drakconf etc to
drivconf? (Blech.)
Why not "Mallard linux" (or some other species of duck?)
Then the drak* commands don't need to change sense since a
male duck is a drake. Or even "Mandarin linux", since
there's a Mandarin duck, and that name alone would probably
double their sales in Asia. Neither of these names currently
show up in a Groups Google, so if they are in use, they are
not much in use.
Regards,
David Mathog
mathog@caltech.edu
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David, Mandrake bought Connectiva, thus the first part of the name is
from Mandrake and the other part from the end of Connectiva. |
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Bungee
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject:
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Andrew Preater <preater@deadspam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Why not Mandrill Linux? Blinky can fork Mandrake, strip the Mandriva
branding (including that frankly scary penguin with stars in his eyes)
and release it, doing for Mandrake what CentOS did for RHEL. Only it
would be _much_ cooler. Mascot: monkey with a wizard hat.
You haven't been reading the Disc World series by any chance? |
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Ed Mars
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:
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John C Danielson II wrote:
| Quote: | David, Mandrake bought Connectiva, thus the first part of the name is
from Mandrake and the other part from the end of Connectiva.
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So, they could have called it ConMan instead.
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Peter D.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:15 am Post subject:
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Blinky the Shark wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
| Quote: | Wes Newell wrote:
It's not hard to create an alt.* group. And while they like to talk
about it first, it's not required. Anyone that knows how can create a
new alt group with never talking to anyone. If you do it, just don't
admit to it and most will probably never know who did it. Once
created though, the user will have to request the new group from
their news server admin. A few servers will pick it up
automataically, but that's a small percentage of servers.
There should be a charter.
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If you are going to go to the trouble of doing it properly with a
charter and all that then try naming it something under
comp.os.linux.
Someone else has posted a link in this thread on how to do it.
We should have enough users (and votes) to get an official "comp"
group name rather than an "alt" name.
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