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Peter D.
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Bungee wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
| Quote: | Andrew Preater <preater@deadspam.com> wrote:
Why not Mandrill Linux? Blinky can fork Mandrake, strip the Mandriva
branding (including that frankly scary penguin with stars in his
eyes)
and release it, doing for Mandrake what CentOS did for RHEL. Only it
would be _much_ cooler. Mascot: monkey with a wizard hat.
You haven't been reading the Disc World series by any chance?
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I don't think that the orang-outang librarian at the Unseen University
liked to be called a monkey.
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Bungee
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:18 am Post subject:
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"Peter D." <psd@home.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Bungee wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
Andrew Preater <preater@deadspam.com> wrote:
Why not Mandrill Linux? Blinky can fork Mandrake, strip the
Mandriva branding (including that frankly scary penguin with stars
in his eyes) and release it, doing for Mandrake what CentOS did
for RHEL. Only it would be _much_ cooler. Mascot: monkey with a
wizard hat.
You haven't been reading the Disc World series by any chance?
I don't think that the orang-outang librarian at the Unseen University
liked to be called a monkey.
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Exactly ! :)
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Beowulf
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:42 am Post subject:
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Ed Mars wrote:
| Quote: | John C Danielson II wrote:
David, Mandrake bought Connectiva, thus the first part of the name is
from Mandrake and the other part from the end of Connectiva.
So, they could have called it ConMan instead.
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David
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject:
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Ed Mars wrote:
| Quote: | John C Danielson II wrote:
David, Mandrake bought Connectiva, thus the first part of the name is
from Mandrake and the other part from the end of Connectiva.
So, they could have called it ConMan instead.
Ed
Yes, this has already been discussed till it is well dead. Can we drop |
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Blinky the Shark
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject:
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Peter D. wrote:
| Quote: | Blinky the Shark wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
Wes Newell wrote:
It's not hard to create an alt.* group. And while they like to talk
about it first, it's not required. Anyone that knows how can create a
new alt group with never talking to anyone. If you do it, just don't
admit to it and most will probably never know who did it. Once
created though, the user will have to request the new group from
their news server admin. A few servers will pick it up
automataically, but that's a small percentage of servers.
There should be a charter.
If you are going to go to the trouble of doing it properly with a
charter and all that then try naming it something under
comp.os.linux.
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I don't see why it should be Big Eight just because it's got a charter.
| Quote: | Someone else has posted a link in this thread on how to do it.
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That was me. :)
| Quote: | We should have enough users (and votes) to get an official "comp"
group name rather than an "alt" name.
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True. Okay, okay -- Big Eight it is.
Someone start the process. :)
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Dave Farrance
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:
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Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Peter D. wrote:
We should have enough users (and votes) to get an official "comp"
group name rather than an "alt" name.
True. Okay, okay -- Big Eight it is.
Someone start the process. 
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And yet check out linux.redhat.*, linux.gentoo.*, linux.debian.*
And who's in comp.os.* ? ms-dos, ms-windows, netware, os2, vms...
Nah, linux.* is where it's at.
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Peter D.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:31 am Post subject:
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Dave Farrance wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
| Quote: | Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:
Peter D. wrote:
We should have enough users (and votes) to get an official "comp"
group name rather than an "alt" name.
True. Okay, okay -- Big Eight it is.
Someone start the process. :)
And yet check out linux.redhat.*, linux.gentoo.*, linux.debian.*
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Linux.gentoo.* ? No such news groups. Well, more accurately, my
news server is not carrying them. Which rapidly gets us to the
main benefit of a Big Eight name, new groups should be available
world wide comparatively soon after creation without users having
to badger their news servers. Also it should be easier for newbies
to find if it is automatically carried.
| Quote: | And who's in comp.os.* ? ms-dos, ms-windows, netware, os2, vms...
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Bad neighbors?
| Quote: | Nah, linux.* is where it's at.
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Linux.redhat is carrying a lot of traffic compared to
comp.os.linux.redhat, which is listed but appears to be dead.
What is the history of that? Did they start an official group
and then decide that it was too much trouble to split it into a
dozen Big Eight sub-groups? Or were they overwhelmed by trolls?
Creation of alt.* is supposed to be via alt.config, but I have
no idea what the linux.* equivalent is.
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Wes Newell
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:31:01 +1000, Peter D. wrote:
| Quote: | Linux.gentoo.* ? No such news groups. Well, more accurately, my
news server is not carrying them.
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alt.os.linux.gentoo. If your server doesn't carry it, request it.
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Dave Farrance
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:24 am Post subject:
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"Peter D." <psd@home.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Dave Farrance wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
And yet check out linux.redhat.*, linux.gentoo.*, linux.debian.*
Linux.gentoo.* ? No such news groups. Well, more accurately, my
news server is not carrying them. Which rapidly gets us to the
main benefit of a Big Eight name, new groups should be available
world wide comparatively soon after creation without users having
to badger their news servers. Also it should be easier for newbies
to find if it is automatically carried.
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It's a heck of a lot of work, and it's VERY difficult to have enough
people remember to vote after they've been bored by the lengthy process.
How many new Big 8 groups have succeeded in recent times?
| Quote: | And who's in comp.os.* ? ms-dos, ms-windows, netware, os2, vms...
Bad neighbors?
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Heh. Maybe. The only distribution-specific group in comp.os.linux.* is
redhat, and as you noticed, that's almost dead.
| Quote: | Linux.redhat is carrying a lot of traffic compared to
comp.os.linux.redhat, which is listed but appears to be dead.
What is the history of that? Did they start an official group
and then decide that it was too much trouble to split it into a
dozen Big Eight sub-groups? Or were they overwhelmed by trolls?
Creation of alt.* is supposed to be via alt.config, but I have
no idea what the linux.* equivalent is.
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debian.* and gentoo.* are Usenet gateways to mailing list servers, and
are tightly moderated. I think that linux.redhat started as an
unofficial group that just grew, and it's now listed as active by the
Big 8 moderators too:
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/active
After checking this, I realise that linux.* is only viable if the
development organisation for a given distribution chooses to manage the
groups as gateways to their mailing lists. I don't imagine that Mandriva
is likely to do this.
Anyway, It's probably best to hold your horses. At the moment, most
people think of the distribution as Mandrake, rather than Mandriva.
Maybe in a year's time, if Mandriva doesn't decide to change the name
yet again and we have the beginnings of Mandriva users that didn't know
the old name, it'll be worth revisiting the idea of a new group.
It might be easiest to create a new alt group; a newgroup being a yes
vote and a rmgroup being a no vote. Not to appear cynical, or anything.
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Peter D.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:33 am Post subject:
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Dave Farrance wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
| Quote: | "Peter D." <psd@home.invalid> wrote:
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[snip]
| Quote: | It's a heck of a lot of work, and it's VERY difficult to have enough
people remember to vote after they've been bored by the lengthy
process. How many new Big 8 groups have succeeded in recent times?
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I don't know what the success rate with the Big Eight is. I've
just re-subscribed to news.groups and news.newusers.questions
after many years.
When (if) the vote comes we could harangue everyone who posts
a question for a few weeks. This is a large group. I haven't
counted, but it seems like we get a couple of hundred people
post in a normal month. Who is posting the group statistics?
Blinky?
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| Quote: | Creation of alt.* is supposed to be via alt.config, but I have
no idea what the linux.* equivalent is.
debian.* and gentoo.* are Usenet gateways to mailing list servers,
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Do you mean linux.debian.* and linux.gentoo.* ?
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are tightly moderated. I think that linux.redhat started as an
unofficial group that just grew, and it's now listed as active by the
Big 8 moderators too:
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/CONFIG/active
After checking this, I realise that linux.* is only viable if the
development organisation for a given distribution chooses to manage
the groups as gateways to their mailing lists. I don't imagine that
Mandriva is likely to do this.
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Is there any point in asking? And who would you direct the
question to?
| Quote: | Anyway, It's probably best to hold your horses. At the moment, most
people think of the distribution as Mandrake, rather than Mandriva.
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Yes, now is the time to talk rather than actually do anything.
| Quote: | Maybe in a year's time, if Mandriva doesn't decide to change the name
yet again
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No, you are just teasing - aren't you?
| Quote: | and we have the beginnings of Mandriva users that didn't
know the old name, it'll be worth revisiting the idea of a new group.
It might be easiest to create a new alt group; a newgroup being a yes
vote and a rmgroup being a no vote. Not to appear cynical, or
anything.
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Definitely easiest to use alt.*, I'm just trying to work out if it
is worth the hassle to use comp.*.
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Peter D.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:20 am Post subject:
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Dave Farrance wrote in alt.os.linux.mandrake:
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| Quote: | How many new Big 8 groups have succeeded in recent times?
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Looking through news.announce.newgroups;
2004/09/09 comp.os.linux.xbox <1094658132.20273@isc.org>
2004/09/26 comp.os.os2.ecomstation <1096147342.17608@isc.org>
2004/10/09 soc.religion.satanism <1097301036.22590@isc.org>
2004/10/24 rec.photo.digital.point+shoot
rec.photo.digital.rangefinder
rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
rec.photo.digital.zlr <1098415918.19590@isc.org>
2004/10/22 rec.woodworking.all-ages <1098415922.19616@isc.org>
2004/12/25 misc.writing.screenplays.moderated <1103913022.6007@isc.org>
Although rec.woodwooking.all-ages was withdrawn, due to voter fraud.
I would guess that we are bigger than comp.os.linux.xbox.
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