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Marc Perkel
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Graeme Fowler
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 Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:
Re: Confused about SEEN in filter- feature request
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On 21/06/2006 17:53, Marc Perkel wrote:
| Quote: | Why not make the syntax logically consistent? If something is "seen"
then it's considered to be dealt with.
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Where is the inconsistency?
"seen" is not a command, it's a modifier to a command and is documented
as such. That's perfectly consistent between the application and the docs.
It is, however, perhaps inconsistent with your personal view of the way
you want Exim's filter language to be, but it would be easier (for the
rest of us) for you to bend your view than to continually request that
Exim be changed. That's what (most of) the rest of us try to do :)
I think, again, you need to enlighten us as to what you're trying to do.
Graeme
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<jori.hamalainen@telia
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:
Re: SQL problems quoting -- second ' eaten up
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| Quote: | The field I am trying to fill is t_date, using '${quote_pgsql:${h_date}}'.
I assume that $h_date is empty because I am doing local delivery.
Using '$h_date' doesn't work either, and the same problem affects $h_subject.
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I am not 100% sure if this will fix your problem, but with $h_ or header_ Exim
likes to have : at the end. So try using $h_subject: and $h_date etc. when you
refer to message headers. I had similar type of problems before I did this.
BR,
Jori
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John W. Baxter
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Joined: 12 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject:
Re: [exim-dev] [PATCH] Implement redirect
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On 6/29/06 8:55 AM, "Philip Hazel" <ph10@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Final thought: how many users are going to appreciate the difference
between .forward and .redirect, or were you thinking that sysadmins
would create those files?
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The user *should* do the work, whether the instructions are in the
(proposed) ~/.redirect file or somewhere else (ours would be in MySQL, most
likely). A good many users escape spam by
Start new address
Forward old address for a while until most correspondents have caught on
Disable old address.
Use new address much more carefully than before.
For that pattern, of course, redirect is totally wrong.
In our AccountManager, we would have to make the difference between
forwarding and redirecting (in this sense) just as clear as the admin of a
traditional system would.
(99.9+% of our users have never been able to write into their home
directories--some of the early ones--including me--were, in 1993 and early
1994, but that was when the connection to the world was a wired long
distance connection on one of the company's 6 14.4 modems).
--John
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Nigel Metheringham
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Nigel Metheringham
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| Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject:
Re: [exim-dev] Exim 4.62 errors on Solaris
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On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 17:14 +0100, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 09:07 -0700, Markus Mayer wrote:
I am wondering if anybody else has tried 64 bit Exim binaries on other
platforms/OSes and what their results were.
I have not heard any problems with it running on x86_64 under linux.
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or going back further... and more relevantly... alpha, again under
linux. However I have not got an alpha system to hand nowadays.
Nigel.
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Debbie Doerrlamm
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject:
Re: Callback issues - vdomain w/external MX can not mail other users on server
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| Quote: | The external mail server, 209.42.34.104 is refusing the null sender.
Simple test:
$ telnet mail.idonails.com 25
Trying 209.42.34.104...
Connected to static.user104.209.42.34.dsli.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 idonails.com ESMTP MDaemon 6.8.4; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:07:15 -0400
HELO elara
250 idonails.com Hello elara, pleased to meet you
MAIL FROM:
550 Sorry, this server is configured to refuse this sort of mail (to
combat the SPAM problem)
Badly configured mail server on the other end. Exim uses the null
sender for sender verification checks and so this will automatically
fail them all.
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OK gotcha on that.. I sent that info to the person who maintains her mail
server..
Reading your comments 3 times now.. can my Exim be configured to not send a
null to verify so this won;t happen?? I might think there are other mail
servers that also are refusing on the same basis??? But could this also
could be the way these 2 forms are handled on my server.. could these forms
be configured better to not be sending a null user?? Nothing has changed on
the forms - either her registration or the orders from her cgi based cart -
since the move.. here are the headers from one of her orders and a
registration on the new server (sorry I do not have access to one off the
VPS to compare)
Return-path: <idonails@server.wwwebserv.com>
Envelope-to: idonails@server.wwwebserv.com
Delivery-date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:10 -0400
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.52)
id 1FvodN-0004a3-JW
for idonails@server.wwwebserv.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:10 -0400
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.2 (2006-05-25) on
server.wwwebserv.com
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-51.0 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,COMM_ORDER,
FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2,NO_REAL_NAME,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham
version=3.1.2
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local (Exim 4.52)
id 1FvodN-0004Zw-GL
for order@idonails.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:09 -0400
To: order@idonails.com
From: littlelight_@hotmail.com
Cc:
Subject: The Supply Source Order - 200961421 - Burkes
Message-Id: <E1FvodN-0004Zw-GL@server.wwwebserv.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:09 -0400
and one from the registration (again a simple cgi form)
X-Persona: <idonail>
Return-path: <idonails@server.wwwebserv.com>
Envelope-to: idonails@server.wwwebserv.com
Delivery-date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:31 -0400
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.52)
id 1Fvrr4-0004mE-Re
for idonails@server.wwwebserv.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:31 -0400
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.2 (2006-05-25) on
server.wwwebserv.com
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS,
FROM_NO_LOWER,NO_RELAYS,REPTO_QUOTE_YAHOO autolearn=no version=3.1.2
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local (Exim 4.52)
id 1Fvrr4-0004m7-NM
for order@idonails.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:30 -0400
From: "BETHANY" <BETH_05@YAHOO.COM>
Reply-To: "BETHANY" <BETH_05@YAHOO.COM>
To: order@idonails.com
Subject: idonails registration
Message-Id: <E1Fvrr4-0004m7-NM@server.wwwebserv.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:30 -0400
| Quote: | I see it as server.wwwebserv.com refusing the mail because it can not
verify supplysource1@idonails.com - server.wwwebserv.com thinking
because idonails is a local domain, checking locally to not find a
user of supplysource1. If this is correct, then it is my problem and
I need to resolve this.
Not quite - it can't verify it, not because of an incorrect setup on
your side, but the remote host.
mail 14400 IN A 209.42.34.104
www 14400 IN CNAME idonails.com.
ftp 14400 IN A 64.79.202.138
mail.idonails.com 14400 IN MX 0 209.42.34.104
Incidentally, that probably isn't doing what you expect. You've added
an MX record for "mail.idonails.com.idonails.com". You should change
it to this really:
mail 14400 IN MX 0 209.42.34.104
The reason is that there should be a full stop on the end of the name
if it's fully qualified.
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| Quote: | Actually, it should be:
mail 14400 IN MX 0 mail.idonails.com.
RHS of an MX record "MUST" be a host name
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Thanks gentlemen.. I will make this change today..
Regards,
Debbie ^v^ ^o^ //\o/\\ ^o^ ^v^ Webmaster - System Admin
webmaster@beautytech.com (AOL, CS or AIM NailGdsss - MSN Nailgodess)
WWWeb Services, Ronkonkoma, NY
631-981-1273 fax 631-981-7557
http://www.beautytech.com & http://www.beautytech.INFO
for Professionals for Consumers
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Timothy Arnold
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Callback issues - vdomain w/external MX can not mail other users on server
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Hi Debbie,
Don't know if this has already been said, but I believe that the remote
mail server needs to accept null sender (RFC823?) as a valid address. We
shouldn't need to disable sender verification or change the from address
just because the remote mail server doesn't conform to the RFCs.
The reason for using null sender (correct me if I am wrong) is that this
avoids a loop if they try to perform sender verfication as well.
Cheers
Tim
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Debbie Doerrlamm wrote:
| Quote: | The external mail server, 209.42.34.104 is refusing the null sender.
Simple test:
$ telnet mail.idonails.com 25
Trying 209.42.34.104...
Connected to static.user104.209.42.34.dsli.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 idonails.com ESMTP MDaemon 6.8.4; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:07:15 -0400
HELO elara
250 idonails.com Hello elara, pleased to meet you
MAIL FROM:
550 Sorry, this server is configured to refuse this sort of mail (to
combat the SPAM problem)
Badly configured mail server on the other end. Exim uses the null
sender for sender verification checks and so this will automatically
fail them all.
OK gotcha on that.. I sent that info to the person who maintains her mail
server..
Reading your comments 3 times now.. can my Exim be configured to not send a
null to verify so this won;t happen?? I might think there are other mail
servers that also are refusing on the same basis??? But could this also
could be the way these 2 forms are handled on my server.. could these forms
be configured better to not be sending a null user?? Nothing has changed on
the forms - either her registration or the orders from her cgi based cart -
since the move.. here are the headers from one of her orders and a
registration on the new server (sorry I do not have access to one off the
VPS to compare)
Return-path: <idonails@server.wwwebserv.com
Envelope-to: idonails@server.wwwebserv.com
Delivery-date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:10 -0400
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.52)
id 1FvodN-0004a3-JW
for idonails@server.wwwebserv.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:10 -0400
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.2 (2006-05-25) on
server.wwwebserv.com
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-51.0 required=6.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,COMM_ORDER,
FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2,NO_REAL_NAME,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham
version=3.1.2
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local (Exim 4.52)
id 1FvodN-0004Zw-GL
for order@idonails.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:09 -0400
To: order@idonails.com
From: littlelight_@hotmail.com
Cc:
Subject: The Supply Source Order - 200961421 - Burkes
Message-Id: <E1FvodN-0004Zw-GL@server.wwwebserv.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:00:09 -0400
and one from the registration (again a simple cgi form)
X-Persona: <idonail
Return-path: <idonails@server.wwwebserv.com
Envelope-to: idonails@server.wwwebserv.com
Delivery-date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:31 -0400
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local-bsmtp (Exim 4.52)
id 1Fvrr4-0004mE-Re
for idonails@server.wwwebserv.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:31 -0400
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.2 (2006-05-25) on
server.wwwebserv.com
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS,
FROM_NO_LOWER,NO_RELAYS,REPTO_QUOTE_YAHOO autolearn=no version=3.1.2
Received: from idonails by server.wwwebserv.com with local (Exim 4.52)
id 1Fvrr4-0004m7-NM
for order@idonails.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:30 -0400
From: "BETHANY" <BETH_05@YAHOO.COM
Reply-To: "BETHANY" <BETH_05@YAHOO.COM
To: order@idonails.com
Subject: idonails registration
Message-Id: <E1Fvrr4-0004m7-NM@server.wwwebserv.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:26:30 -0400
I see it as server.wwwebserv.com refusing the mail because it can not
verify supplysource1@idonails.com - server.wwwebserv.com thinking
because idonails is a local domain, checking locally to not find a
user of supplysource1. If this is correct, then it is my problem and
I need to resolve this.
Not quite - it can't verify it, not because of an incorrect setup on
your side, but the remote host.
mail 14400 IN A 209.42.34.104
www 14400 IN CNAME idonails.com.
ftp 14400 IN A 64.79.202.138
mail.idonails.com 14400 IN MX 0 209.42.34.104
Incidentally, that probably isn't doing what you expect. You've added
an MX record for "mail.idonails.com.idonails.com". You should change
it to this really:
mail 14400 IN MX 0 209.42.34.104
The reason is that there should be a full stop on the end of the name
if it's fully qualified.
Actually, it should be:
mail 14400 IN MX 0 mail.idonails.com.
RHS of an MX record "MUST" be a host name
Thanks gentlemen.. I will make this change today..
Regards,
Debbie ^v^ ^o^ //\o/\\ ^o^ ^v^ Webmaster - System Admin
webmaster@beautytech.com (AOL, CS or AIM NailGdsss - MSN Nailgodess)
WWWeb Services, Ronkonkoma, NY
631-981-1273 fax 631-981-7557
http://www.beautytech.com & http://www.beautytech.INFO
for Professionals for Consumers
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Jeremy Harris
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Joined: 27 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Callback issues - vdomain w/external MX can not mail other users on server
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Debbie Doerrlamm wrote:
| Quote: | Reading your comments 3 times now.. can my Exim be configured to not send a
null to verify so this won;t happen?
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Of course it can; Exim is very flexible. How to do this is in the
documentation.
However, doing so would be a long-term disservice to the
reliability of email. By not accepting null-sender mail
this site make it impossible to send them Delivery Status
Notifications ("bounces"), meaning that when you (or anyone)
has a problem delivering a mail you have accepted from
them, on behalf of one of their customers, you *cannot*
inform them by the usual standardized method.
Carry on encouraging them to change. Make the point that
refusing to accept bounces is also symptomatic of a
full-time spammer or compromised system.
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Debbie Doerrlamm
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:39 pm Post subject:
Re: Callback issues - vdomain w/external MX can not mail other users on server
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Tim, thanks now that you mention that I did read that during my research..
thanks I'll pass that along also..
\t 09:32 AM 7/2/2006, Timothy Arnold wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Debbie,
Don't know if this has already been said, but I believe that the remote
mail server needs to accept null sender (RFC823?) as a valid address. We
shouldn't need to disable sender verification or change the from address
just because the remote mail server doesn't conform to the RFCs.
The reason for using null sender (correct me if I am wrong) is that this
avoids a loop if they try to perform sender verfication as well.
Cheers
Tim
On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Debbie Doerrlamm wrote:
The external mail server, 209.42.34.104 is refusing the null sender.
Simple test:
$ telnet mail.idonails.com 25
Trying 209.42.34.104...
Connected to static.user104.209.42.34.dsli.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 idonails.com ESMTP MDaemon 6.8.4; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:07:15 -0400
HELO elara
250 idonails.com Hello elara, pleased to meet you
MAIL FROM:
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Regards,
Debbie ^v^ ^o^ //\o/\\ ^o^ ^v^ Webmaster - System Admin
webmaster@beautytech.com (AOL, CS or AIM NailGdsss - MSN Nailgodess)
WWWeb Services, Ronkonkoma, NY
631-981-1273 fax 631-981-7557
http://www.beautytech.com & http://www.beautytech.INFO
for Professionals for Consumers
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Bill Hacker
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Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Posts: 427
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| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject:
Re: Non-SMTP ACL's
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Tony Finch wrote:
*SNIP*
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No, it's the -bs option. (Exim doesn't have support for accepting email
via a Unix domain socket.)
Tony.
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Not sure that is strictly true, at least in the broad definition
of 'accepting email', as Exim reads from an SQL DB just fine via
a socket.
And such DB can be used to store canned messages, build them in
response to <whatever>, or transit them from other (controlled)
DB input.
A handy way of imposing safe restrictions on webserver-generated
traffic, for instance.
Bill
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Bill Hacker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject:
Re: [unclassified] Re: return path set in transport, but it doesnt work
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Marc Haber wrote:
| Quote: | On 4 Jul 2006 20:57:27 -0000, "Peter Bowyer" <peter@bowyer.org> did
not write:
Please take these amateur home 'server' questions to the Debian exim
mailing list. The exim-users list is for professional mail
administrators, not every student who can boot a Linux distro and
thinks he should run his own 'mail server'.
This is another case of anonymous remailer abuse, a Joe Job against
Peter.
Greetings
Marc
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ACK.
To the extent practical from the headers, I've backtracked both.
Neither of these would have passed our Exim MTA OR Ecartis MLM
settings here.
The same rulesets would of course, block postings from
'hobbyist' mx on dynamic IP without proper DNS records, but I
don't see that as an overall negative.
Such 'seekers of self improvement' (too be kind) ordinarily have
access to a bona-fide ISP MX they can use while learning.
Perhaps a Mailman/Exim ruleset tightening on sesame is due?
'..eating our own dogfood' so to speak...
Bill
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Bill Hacker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject:
Re: [unclassified] Re: return path set in transport, but it doesnt work
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Peter Bowyer wrote:
| Quote: | On 04/07/06, Marc Haber <mh+exim-users@zugschlus.de> wrote:
This is another case of anonymous remailer abuse, a Joe Job against
Peter.
Indeed. I'm quite flattered that I'm considered to be a worthy target
of all this attention!
Peter
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When abuse is involved, 'anonymous' remailers can become rather
transparent.
A 'whois' in the IP's from whence those messages appear to have
connected to 'sesame' lists contacts for abuse reports at each
provider.
I leave the exercise of following that up to he-with-the-logs.
Bill
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Bill Hacker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject:
Re: [unclassified] Re: return path set in transport, but it doesnt work
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Chris Lightfoot wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 12:29:59AM +0200, Magnus Holmgren wrote:
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 00:04, Marc Haber took the opportunity to write:
On 4 Jul 2006 20:57:27 -0000, "Peter Bowyer" <peter@bowyer.org> did
not write:
Please take these amateur home 'server' questions to the Debian exim
mailing list. The exim-users list is for professional mail
administrators, not every student who can boot a Linux distro and
thinks he should run his own 'mail server'.
This is another case of anonymous remailer abuse, a Joe Job against
Peter.
Always signing one's mail has its advantages.
yes, it means when you want to create ambiguity you can
leave the signature off a mail....
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...or, in the case of one of the folks I regularly correspond
with, means a PGP sig that is often larger in byte-count than
the message body. As if the headers were not already such.
As they routinely are with sesame's MLM settings vs many posts
to this list.
' so many options, so little time'
Bill
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Bill Hacker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject:
Re: [unclassified] Re: return path set in transport, but it doesnt work
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BTW - FWIW department:
The mere use of the abbreviation for 'Mailing List Manager' in
my last post earned it SA points on the ML_MARKETING test.
'nuther reason I trust Exim's protocol-adherence tests to be
more consistent and precise than SA.
Bill
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