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 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject:
RE: Syntax diagram, where is it located in the doc?
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"Thomas Sundberg" <thomas.sundberg@gamefederation.com> wrote on 04/02/2005
13:48:03:
| Quote: | It is very simple but absolutely not straight forward. It really doesn't
say
anything. Just that you should do things right and then you will not
have
any problems.
The concrete problem I tried to solve were if MySQL supports xor in a
where
clause. And if so, how should the syntax be written? That would have
been
extremely simple if the syntax diagram started just above the quote you
supplied us with had been completed and not ended when things got a bit
interesting.
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It would probably not have been very hepful because it would simply have
mentioned <operators> and referred you back to section 12 of the manual
for a complete (and growing) list of operators. Good database practice
suggests that the same data - the list of valid operators - should not be
in two places unless there is an aoutomated method of deriveing the lesser
from the greater.. The "master" copy is the list of operators in the
Syntax section of the manual. Since operators includes words like IN, AND,
NOT, the syntax of operators is roughly [<non-space-character>]* . If you
looked in the manuel, under operators, then bitwise operators, you would
find xor near the top of the table - togehter with the information (not
available in a syntax diagram) that it is only available since 4.0.2.
Alternatively , a second's experimentation (SELECT 5^1 would have shown
that it has the "obvious" syntax - or the alternative syntax (SELECT 5 XOR
1 ;
Alec Cawley
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Tom Cunningham
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject:
Re: developing an interface
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Winn Johnston <winn_johnston@yahoo.com> wrote on 02/04/2005 10:30:54 AM:
| Quote: | I have taken on a job replacing an old AS400 RPM
database with four thin clients. They really like the
feel of the thin client interface, no point and click,
no graphics, just green text on a black background. I
could use any suggestions on what to read, or where to
look to find a way to create a similar feel on the new
interface. I am leaning heavily to php, since it would
make the Internet port easier, but am not adversed to
changing my mind.
Thank You very much for your replies.
Winn Johnston
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Sounds like you want to develop a console application using some kind of
TELNET daemon. I don't do that kind of development but it may be something
for you to research. My users tell me they prefer the point-and-click of
browser-based, thin client apps over their old terminal-type apps, sorry!
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Peter Brawley
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Re: Syntax diagram, where is it located in the doc?
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Thomas,
As you've discovered, MySQL documentation doesn't (yet) include a syntax
diagram, but there's a manual page for WHERE clauses, there's a manual
page for logical operators including XOR, and they show that the answer
to your question about WHERE clauses using XOR is 'yes', as does writing
the simplest possible toy query on a test table. MySQL is open source.
Perhaps you'll be the one to write the syntax diagram?
PB
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| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Stassen [mailto:Michael.Stassen@verizon.net]
Sent: den 4 februari 2005 14:19
To: Thomas Sundberg
Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com
Subject: Re: Syntax diagram, where is it located in the doc?
From the manual, "where_definition consists of the keyword
WHERE followed by an expression that indicates the condition
or conditions that rows must satisfy to be selected."
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/select.html
That seems simple and straightforward to me. Perhaps if you
told us why you need this, someone could provide you with the
answer you need.
It is very simple but absolutely not straight forward. It really doesn't say
anything. Just that you should do things right and then you will not have
any problems.
The concrete problem I tried to solve were if MySQL supports xor in a where
clause. And if so, how should the syntax be written? That would have been
extremely simple if the syntax diagram started just above the quote you
supplied us with had been completed and not ended when things got a bit
interesting.
/Thomas
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Duncan Hill
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject:
Re: developing an interface
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On Friday 04 February 2005 16:03, Winn Johnston might have typed:
| Quote: | My users have expressed a distinct dislike for point
and click methods. They would rather use the keyboard
in the same way a ticket agent does when she is
looking for a flight 
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You can do this one of two ways.
Give them shell logins on a *nix box (or port to win32) and write your
application in perl or php as a console app.
Give them lynx and write your app in php as a web app, using style sheets etc.
They get a green screen (literally with the right lynx config) where tab etc
all behave (complete with 1 - 9 working as hotkeys for menus), but you can
migrate new users to the Firefox/IE interface :)
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Michael Dykman
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject:
Re: developing an interface
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On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 11:08, Duncan Hill wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 February 2005 16:03, Winn Johnston might have typed:
My users have expressed a distinct dislike for point
and click methods. They would rather use the keyboard
in the same way a ticket agent does when she is
looking for a flight :)
You can do this one of two ways.
Give them shell logins on a *nix box (or port to win32) and write your
application in perl or php as a console app.
Give them lynx and write your app in php as a web app, using style sheets etc.
They get a green screen (literally with the right lynx config) where tab etc
all behave (complete with 1 - 9 working as hotkeys for menus), but you can
migrate new users to the Firefox/IE interface
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This is an excellent idea. It makes for easy development while giveing
them the old DOS-terminal throwback feel, but may I suggest 'elinks'
instead of 'lynx'? I have been a lynx user for years (I do a lot of work
where I only have ssh/console access to my clients systems) but the
newer elinks which I recently discovered is very nice with a cleaner,
less cluttered screen.
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Winn Johnston
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject:
Re: developing an interface
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--- SGreen@unimin.com wrote:
| Quote: | Winn Johnston <winn_johnston@yahoo.com> wrote on
02/04/2005 10:30:54 AM:
I have taken on a job replacing an old AS400 RPM
database with four thin clients. They really like
the
feel of the thin client interface, no point and
click,
no graphics, just green text on a black
background. I
could use any suggestions on what to read, or
where to
look to find a way to create a similar feel on the
new
interface. I am leaning heavily to php, since it
would
make the Internet port easier, but am not adversed
to
changing my mind.
Thank You very much for your replies.
Winn Johnston
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Sounds like you want to develop a console
application using some kind of
TELNET daemon. I don't do that kind of development
but it may be something
for you to research. My users tell me they prefer
the point-and-click of
browser-based, thin client apps over their old
terminal-type apps, sorry!
Shawn Green
Database Administrator
Unimin Corporation - Spruce Pine
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My users have expressed a distinct dislike for point
and click methods. They would rather use the keyboard
in the same way a ticket agent does when she is
looking for a flight :)
Winn Johnston
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Winn Johnston
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Re: developing an interface
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lynx.... i like it
thanks duncan, u the man
winn johnston
-- Duncan Hill <duncanh@icritical.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Friday 04 February 2005 16:03, Winn Johnston
might have typed:
My users have expressed a distinct dislike for
point
and click methods. They would rather use the
keyboard
in the same way a ticket agent does when she is
looking for a flight :)
You can do this one of two ways.
Give them shell logins on a *nix box (or port to
win32) and write your
application in perl or php as a console app.
Give them lynx and write your app in php as a web
app, using style sheets etc.
They get a green screen (literally with the right
lynx config) where tab etc
all behave (complete with 1 - 9 working as hotkeys
for menus), but you can
migrate new users to the Firefox/IE interface :)
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DreamWerx
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Re: Log data transfer amount?
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No ideas internally to mysql, you can always fire up a sniffer
(sniffit, tcpdump, etc).. something like that would tell you.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:32:49 -0500, John May
<jmaymailing@pointinspace.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Anyone have any ideas on this one? :
I've scoured the MySQL manuals... does anyone know if there's any
way to log the amount of data that individual queries produce? Eg:
like bytes transferred in a web server log?
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Heikki Tuuri
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A,
----- Original Message -----
From: "A Z" <xtcsuk@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: Premature InnoDB conversion.
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MySql 4.0.14
We tried to convert MyISAM table format to INNODB
format, it took forever to finish the process, someone
intervened and killed the process through Task
Manager.
Now can't run Mysqld-nt, running it with the --console
reports the followings. Your help is appreciated.
Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
(C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.
c:\MySql\mysqld-nt --console
050201 11:26:22 InnoDB: Database was not shut down
normally.
InnoDB: Starting recovery from log files...
InnoDB: Starting log scan based on checkpoint at
InnoDB: log sequence number 0 799702164
050201 11:26:22 InnoDB: Starting an apply batch of
log records to the database.
..
InnoDB: Progress in percents: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46
47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64
65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 7
3 74 75 76 77 78 050201 11:26:24 InnoDB: Assertion
failure in thread 1344 in fi
le ../innobase/include\page0page.ic line 482
InnoDB: Failing assertion: offs < UNIV_PAGE_SIZE
InnoDB: We intentionally generate a memory trap.
InnoDB: Send a detailed bug report to
mysql@lists.mysql.com
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the tablespace is corrupt. If you do not have valuable data in ibdata files,
follow the advice at
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/error-creating-innodb.html, and recreate
the whole InnoDB installation.
Tablespace corruption on Windows is rare. It could be an unknown InnoDB bug,
an OS bug, or a hardware fault. New MySQL versions have better diagnostics.
An upgrade to 4.0.23 would be good.
Best regards,
Heikki Tuuri
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InnoDB Hot Backup - a hot backup tool for InnoDB which also backs up MyISAM
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Jeremy Cole
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Syntax diagram, where is it located in the doc?
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Hi Thomas,
| Quote: | I'm looking for the syntax diagram for MySQL and can't find it. I have
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Just to give you a complete answer to your question, this is what is
valid (I've stripped out the C code parts to leave just the definition):
where_clause:
/* empty */
| WHERE expr
expr: expr_expr
| simple_expr
expr_expr:
expr IN_SYM '(' expr_list ')'
| expr NOT IN_SYM '(' expr_list ')'
| expr BETWEEN_SYM no_and_expr AND expr
| expr NOT BETWEEN_SYM no_and_expr AND expr
| expr OR_OR_CONCAT expr
| expr OR expr
| expr XOR expr
| expr AND expr
| expr LIKE simple_expr opt_escape
| expr NOT LIKE simple_expr opt_escape
| expr REGEXP expr
| expr NOT REGEXP expr
| expr IS NULL_SYM
| expr IS NOT NULL_SYM
| expr EQ expr
| expr EQUAL_SYM expr
| expr GE expr
| expr GT_SYM expr
| expr LE expr
| expr LT expr
| expr NE expr
| expr SHIFT_LEFT expr
| expr SHIFT_RIGHT expr
| expr '+' expr
| expr '-' expr
| expr '*' expr
| expr '/' expr
| expr '|' expr
| expr '^' expr
| expr '&' expr
| expr '%' expr
| expr '+' INTERVAL_SYM expr interval
| expr '-' INTERVAL_SYM expr interval
simple_expr:
simple_ident
| literal
| '@' ident_or_text SET_VAR expr
| '@' ident_or_text
| '@' '@' opt_var_ident_type ident_or_text
| sum_expr
| '-' expr %prec NEG
| '~' expr %prec NEG
| NOT expr %prec NEG
| '!' expr %prec NEG
| '(' expr ')'
| '{' ident expr '}'
| MATCH ident_list_arg AGAINST '(' expr ')'
| MATCH ident_list_arg AGAINST '(' expr IN_SYM BOOLEAN_SYM
MODE_SYM ')'
| BINARY expr %prec NEG
Maybe this is more along the lines of what you're looking for...
<snip all of the random functions>
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Arjen Lentz
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Re: Comparing bug in 4.1.7
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Hi Roger, Michael, Vlad,
Let me just follow up on this old thread, as it may clarify some things.
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 02:00, Roger Baklund wrote:
| Quote: | Michael Stassen wrote:
You are overthinking the issue.
Probably. :)
mysql> SELECT VERSION();
+-----------+
| VERSION() |
+-----------+
| 4.1.7 |
+-----------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
mysql> SELECT 1 OR NULL;
+-----------+
| 1 OR NULL |
+-----------+
| 1 |
+-----------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
We do not need to know x to determine that 1 OR x is TRUE (1). That is
the nature of OR - it only takes one TRUE value to result in TRUE (1).
I agree.
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Oh, boolean logic in SQL has some funny stuff if you look at the truth
tables. However TRUE OR NULL does equal TRUE according to the SQL
standard. So MySQL's implementation is correct, as shown above.
| Quote: | Hence, 1 or NULL must evaluate to TRUE (1). This is a case where we
should correct the definition in the manual, rather than redefining how
OR should behave based on the the manual's poor choice of wording.
I agree.
Therefore, Vlad has found a bug:
I agree again. :)
This is (as I see it) a documentation issue, I was not trying to say
that Vlad was "wrong".
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The manual does show this example:
mysql> SELECT 1 || NULL;
-> 1
| Quote: | While we're at it: the term "non-zero"... what does it mean? As we all
know, NULL != 0, and 0 == zero, consequently NULL must be non-zero.
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Flawed logic. Remember Venn diagrams from highschool? The circles with
numbers in them, circles can overlap, etc... the realm of valid data of
a type is enclosed in a circle, like 0-255 for a TINYINT. NULL is not
part of that set, it falls outside the realm.
You can't make any ordinary comparison with NULL, and that's also why
SQL ended up having some funny logic where logical operations that
include NULLs (like the above) sometimes appear to have odd answers.
However, MySQL is doing it correctly (as per the standard).
There used to be a bug in the handling of AND, due to an optimization in
some specific cases, but this was fixed ages ago in a 4.0 release.
If I'm not mistaken, ALL combinations are now tested in the standard
test suite so any bug would block a release going out.
| Quote: | I would like to have a comment on this as well... or rather: I wonder if
anyone agrees with me that "non-zero" is a bad term to use in this
context (MySQL documentation, description of logical operator OR), or if
I am just overthinking again...
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You are right. NULL is not a non-zero value. NULL is not a value at all.
Regards,
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Roger Baklund
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:52 pm Post subject:
Re: Comparing bug in 4.1.7
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Arjen Lentz wrote:
[...]
| Quote: | While we're at it: the term "non-zero"... what does it mean? As we all
know, NULL != 0, and 0 == zero, consequently NULL must be non-zero.
Flawed logic.
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Yes, I used flawed logic to illustrate my point: "non-zero" is a bad
term to use in this context.
The text from the documentation that we were discussing, has been
changed in the online docs after this discussion. While the term
"non-zero" is still used, the special cases with NULL operands are
described, making the current text harder to misinterpret.
[...]
| Quote: | If I'm not mistaken, ALL combinations are now tested in the standard
test suite so any bug would block a release going out.
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Thomas Sundberg
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:43 am Post subject:
RE: Syntax diagram, where is it located in the doc?
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| Quote: | -----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Cole [mailto:jcole@yahoo-inc.com]
Sent: den 4 februari 2005 22:24
To: Thomas Sundberg
Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com
Subject: Re: Syntax diagram, where is it located in the doc?
Hi Thomas,
I'm looking for the syntax diagram for MySQL and can't find
it. I have
Just to give you a complete answer to your question, this is
what is valid (I've stripped out the C code parts to leave
just the definition):
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This was exactly the stuff I have been looking for. This is what I would
expect to be available in the documentation, perhaps in an appendix. There
is of course a definition defined somewhere, but to be forced to read the c
code to find it is a bit more then you would expect from users that just
need a database engine and don't care if they are using Interbase or MySQL.
If the definition where written in an external file using bnf, then this bnf
definition could be used by the sql parser as well as included in the
documentation and nobody would have to maintain two definitions for the same
thing. Anybody able to read bnf could see exactly what the database is
supposed to be capable of.
/Thomas
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where_clause:
/* empty */
| WHERE expr
expr: expr_expr
| simple_expr
expr_expr:
expr IN_SYM '(' expr_list ')'
| expr NOT IN_SYM '(' expr_list ')'
| expr BETWEEN_SYM no_and_expr AND expr
| expr NOT BETWEEN_SYM no_and_expr AND expr
| expr OR_OR_CONCAT expr
| expr OR expr
| expr XOR expr
| expr AND expr
| expr LIKE simple_expr opt_escape
| expr NOT LIKE simple_expr opt_escape
| expr REGEXP expr
| expr NOT REGEXP expr
| expr IS NULL_SYM
| expr IS NOT NULL_SYM
| expr EQ expr
| expr EQUAL_SYM expr
| expr GE expr
| expr GT_SYM expr
| expr LE expr
| expr LT expr
| expr NE expr
| expr SHIFT_LEFT expr
| expr SHIFT_RIGHT expr
| expr '+' expr
| expr '-' expr
| expr '*' expr
| expr '/' expr
| expr '|' expr
| expr '^' expr
| expr '&' expr
| expr '%' expr
| expr '+' INTERVAL_SYM expr interval
| expr '-' INTERVAL_SYM expr interval
simple_expr:
simple_ident
| literal
| '@' ident_or_text SET_VAR expr
| '@' ident_or_text
| '@' '@' opt_var_ident_type ident_or_text
| sum_expr
| '-' expr %prec NEG
| '~' expr %prec NEG
| NOT expr %prec NEG
| '!' expr %prec NEG
| '(' expr ')'
| '{' ident expr '}'
| MATCH ident_list_arg AGAINST '(' expr ')'
| MATCH ident_list_arg AGAINST '(' expr IN_SYM
BOOLEAN_SYM MODE_SYM ')'
| BINARY expr %prec NEG
Maybe this is more along the lines of what you're looking for...
snip all of the random functions
Regards,
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Denis Gerasimov
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Hello,
This question was asked many times, but I can't find a good answer.
I am getting this error message while trying to connect to MySQL server (PHP
+ PEAR::DB_DataObject):
"Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '' (111)"
(notice '' - is that right?)
Does anyone have any ideas about how to get rid of this error?
Configuration:
* RedHat Enterprise Linux AS3
* Apache 2.0.46
* PHP 5.0.2
* MySQL 4.1.9, mysqli ext.
Thanks!
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