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houghi
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:55 am Post subject:
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Olav Pettershagen wrote:
Do they still fight, or have we already won, because they sure as hell
ain't laughing anymore. ;-)
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We all came out to Montreux Frank Zappa and the Mothers
On the Lake Geneva shoreline Were at the best place around
To make records with a mobile But some stupid with a flare gun
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neutron*star
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:43 am Post subject:
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Olav Pettershagen wrote:
The whole statement is
<quote>
1. Installation of any software. Computer manufacturers and customers
are free to add any software to PCs that run Windows. More broadly,
every computer manufacturer and customer is free to install and promote
any operating system, any application, and any Web service on PCs that
run Windows. Ultimately, end users are free to choose which software
they prefer to use.
</quote>
Quite funny to read anyway....
First I'm granted the right to install software on "PCs that run
Windows" only.
Next software is specified as "operating system", "any application"
and "and any Web service" but still on "PCs that run Windows"
Can Windows do anything like zen or user mode linux. What usage is
another operating system running on top of Windows anyway ?
I know Windows in the old days ran on DOS, but is this still true then ????
And why is a Web service not covered by the term any application ?
Does this implicit means any application not serving any purposes execpt
Web services ?
"Ultimately, end users are free to choose which software they prefer to
use."
Thank you very much, but also notice the "PCs that run Windows" part was
omitted this time....
../Preben |
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Whitey Johnson
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Joined: 02 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Can Windows do anything like zen or user mode linux. What usage is
another operating system running on top of Windows anyway ?
I know Windows in the old days ran on DOS, but is this still true then ????
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There are a number of different ways to run linux on top of Windows. you
can run colinux http://www.colinux.org/ (you can even run it from a usb
drive, Cygwin creates a bash environment, and vmware allows you to install
a virtual copy of linux that can be run from within Windows.
As for the usage, I must say I have played around with all of these
options but have not ended up using any for any period of time after the
testing was done.
<snip>
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Mark Rae
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject:
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"Whitey Johnson" <whitey@quaalude.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.20.16.37.50.842514@quaalude.net...
| Quote: | vmware allows you to install a virtual copy of linux that can be run from
within Windows.
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That's what I'm doing - SuSE 10 on Microsoft VirtualPC.
No significant problems so far... |
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject:
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Mark Rae wrote:
| Quote: | "Whitey Johnson" <whitey@quaalude.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.20.16.37.50.842514@quaalude.net...
vmware allows you to install a virtual copy of linux that can be run from
within Windows.
That's what I'm doing - SuSE 10 on Microsoft VirtualPC.
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I would do it the other way around. :-)
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We all came out to Montreux Frank Zappa and the Mothers
On the Lake Geneva shoreline Were at the best place around
To make records with a mobile But some stupid with a flare gun
We didn't have much time Burned the place to the ground |
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CorporateGeorge
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject:
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Rae wrote:
"Whitey Johnson" <whitey@quaalude.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.20.16.37.50.842514@quaalude.net...
vmware allows you to install a virtual copy of linux that can be run
from within Windows.
That's what I'm doing - SuSE 10 on Microsoft VirtualPC.
I would do it the other way around. :-)
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too funny! |
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CorporateGeorge
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject:
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Olav Pettershagen wrote:
Look here:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/WindowsPrinciples.mspx
MS now grants us the right to install e.g. SUSE on our computers, I
quote:
"Ultimately, end users are free to choose which software they prefer to
use."
I'm deeply moved and very relieved.
Do they still fight, or have we already won, because they sure as hell
ain't laughing anymore. ;-)
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Monopoly$oft is feeling the pain............ lol |
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Michael Soibelman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject:
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Olav Pettershagen wrote:
When they do not force/compel/coerce retailers to install Windows on there
boxes UNLESS/UNTIL the user request it, then we haven't made ANY progress.
When they offer Windows by default and you can request one WITHOUT any
operating system AND PAY LESS for it, then we've made progress. If they
preinstall a Linux version and charge you for that, that IS PROGRESS !! We
can't expect them to do the work of preinstalling ANY OS for free. But, if
we want to do it ourselves than we should be allowed to do that WITHOUT
paying a Microsoft tax !!
NEWS Story..."Microsoft grants ALL persons the right to install whatever
software they (the user)choose. They will only charge you if you CHOOSE to
use there software"
The world has just stop spinning............... |
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Ram
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject:
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Rae wrote:
"Whitey Johnson" <whitey@quaalude.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.07.20.16.37.50.842514@quaalude.net...
vmware allows you to install a virtual copy of linux that can be run from
within Windows.
That's what I'm doing - SuSE 10 on Microsoft VirtualPC.
I would do it the other way around. :-)
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I have and do , XP VM UBUNTU, SUSE 10.O VM XP and W2K
Ram |
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Zemran
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:27 am Post subject:
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Olav Pettershagen wrote:
Look here:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/WindowsPrinciples.mspx
MS now grants us the right to install e.g. SUSE on our computers, I
quote:
"Ultimately, end users are free to choose which software they prefer to
use."
I'm deeply moved and very relieved.
Do they still fight, or have we already won, because they sure as hell
ain't laughing anymore. ;-)
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I like to be given the 'right' to do something that I have always had the
'right' to do. I hereby grant you the 'right' to breathe...
They will still fight but I think they are starting to realise that people
still think for themselves.
--
Marijuana -- because your friends just aren't that funny.
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Michael Soibelman
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:33 am Post subject:
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Zemran wrote:
| Quote: | houghi wrote:
Olav Pettershagen wrote:
Look here:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/newsroom/winxp/WindowsPrinciples.mspx
MS now grants us the right to install e.g. SUSE on our computers, I
quote:
"Ultimately, end users are free to choose which software they prefer to
use."
I'm deeply moved and very relieved.
Do they still fight, or have we already won, because they sure as hell
ain't laughing anymore. ;-)
I like to be given the 'right' to do something that I have always had the
'right' to do. I hereby grant you the 'right' to breathe...
They will still fight but I think they are starting to realise that people
still think for themselves.
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LOL.....VERY LOUD. I wonder, can I steal your sig file ?? |
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Zemran
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:59 am Post subject:
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Michael Soibelman wrote:
| Quote: | Zemran wrote:
houghi wrote:
Olav Pettershagen wrote:
LOL.....VERY LOUD. I wonder, can I steal your sig file ??
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Can I grant you a license and tell you how you are allowed to use it and
then remind you at regular intervals that it is not really yours and that
you only have the 'right' to use it? Oh, and you must not use it on more
than one machine... if you use it on another machine you will need another
license. etc.
It is just words, no one owns words. Even though Microsoft think they own
the word 'windows'...
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Marijuana -- because your friends just aren't that funny.
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Michael Soibelman
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:21 am Post subject:
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Zemran wrote:
| Quote: | Michael Soibelman wrote:
Zemran wrote:
houghi wrote:
Olav Pettershagen wrote:
LOL.....VERY LOUD. I wonder, can I steal your sig file ??
Can I grant you a license and tell you how you are allowed to use it and
then remind you at regular intervals that it is not really yours and that
you only have the 'right' to use it? Oh, and you must not use it on more
than one machine... if you use it on another machine you will need
another
license. etc.
It is just words, no one owns words. Even though Microsoft think they own
the word 'windows'...
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O.K. :-)
P.S. That guy who goes by the name 'Yugo' says I should have a drink. I
told him I don't drink. Now he'll know why.......LOL :-)
I don't need to. |
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Michael Soibelman
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Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:28 am Post subject:
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Michael Soibelman wrote:
| Quote: | Zemran wrote:
Michael Soibelman wrote:
Zemran wrote:
houghi wrote:
Olav Pettershagen wrote:
LOL.....VERY LOUD. I wonder, can I steal your sig file ??
Can I grant you a license and tell you how you are allowed to use it and
then remind you at regular intervals that it is not really yours and that
you only have the 'right' to use it? Oh, and you must not use it on more
than one machine... if you use it on another machine you will need
another
license. etc.
It is just words, no one owns words. Even though Microsoft think they
own the word 'windows'...
O.K. :-)
P.S. That guy who goes by the name 'Yugo' says I should have a drink. I
told him I don't drink. Now he'll know why.......LOL :-)
I don't need to.
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Is it working yet ? If my sig shows up it's working. If not I'll try again
when I'm sure I got it right. Never used one up till now. But yours was
so cool I thought now would be a good time to start. |
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:49 am Post subject:
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Michael Soibelman wrote:
| Quote: | Is it working yet ? If my sig shows up it's working. If not I'll try again
when I'm sure I got it right. Never used one up till now. But yours was
so cool I thought now would be a good time to start.
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Try it out in test groups, ;-)
Default is to just make a file ~/.signature and that should be it.
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houghi Please do not toppost http://houghi.org
Let's not be too tough on our own ignorance. It's the thing that makes
America great. If America weren't incomparably ignorant, how could we
have tolerated the last eight years? -- Frank Zappa, in 1988 |
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