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BearItAll
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 Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:54 am Post subject:
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Phat Bytestard wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:48:06 +0100, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
left_coast wrote:
Bit Twister wrote:
You may want to goto
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
lLuRwc6mjbxFS@news.heiming.de in the Message ID box
click Lookup Message
click _view thread_
and start with 4 matt left coast
So? That FAQ does not even contain any real FAQs! It is also only an
OPINION post, NOT A USENET STANDARD. Anyone can post a FAQ saying
ANYTHING, using ANY propaganda they want. This fact that Bittwister
does not understand this is just one of the many reasons I do not
trust what he says.
For another reason, read my sig.
And now that you've wasted half-a-dozen off-topic posts on a non-Linux
issue, pleae finish your trolling and find something else to do with
your time, lest you be mocked harshly just like people who post test
messages to non-test groups.
I always find it strange that people who post troll declarations never see
themselves as a troll. Maybe trolls don't have mirrors.
They all break when viewed by a troll, remember. Got any pictures of
a troll? No. Cameras break too. :-]
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BearItAll
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:50 am Post subject:
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Rick Moen wrote:
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When I was very new to Usenet, hadn't yet noticed the test groups, and
wasn't sure my software was working correctly, I was briefly tempted to
make a fool of myself bleating 'test' into a high-traffic public group,
but instead decided to wait until I had something to say,
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Well that was daft, you should have just posted a fake question. |
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:31 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:59:38 -0400, "Chris F.A. Johnson"
<cfajohnson@gmail.com> Gave us:
| Quote: | Which is, at most, half as bad as the OP and his defenders.
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Were you in the movie "Blazing Saddles" and do people ask you that
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:58 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:57:11 -0400, Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>
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| Quote: | The traditional ritual response of 'You have failed the test' is, I
believe, intended as slightly scathing corrective humour, to discourage
others (reading existing 'test' threads) from similar misbehaviour, and
more generally to briefly reassert community standards in public.
That's how community standards work.
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Good job. Concise. |
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:57 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:48:06 +0100, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk>
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| Quote: | Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
left_coast wrote:
Bit Twister wrote:
You may want to goto
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
lLuRwc6mjbxFS@news.heiming.de in the Message ID box
click Lookup Message
click _view thread_
and start with 4 matt left coast
So? That FAQ does not even contain any real FAQs! It is also only an
OPINION post, NOT A USENET STANDARD. Anyone can post a FAQ saying
ANYTHING, using ANY propaganda they want. This fact that Bittwister
does not understand this is just one of the many reasons I do not
trust what he says.
For another reason, read my sig.
And now that you've wasted half-a-dozen off-topic posts on a non-Linux
issue, pleae finish your trolling and find something else to do with your
time, lest you be mocked harshly just like people who post test messages
to non-test groups.
I always find it strange that people who post troll declarations never see
themselves as a troll. Maybe trolls don't have mirrors.
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They all break when viewed by a troll, remember. Got any pictures of
a troll? No. Cameras break too. :-] |
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:54 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:32:31 +0100, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk>
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| Quote: | houghi wrote:
left_coast wrote:
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You are a twat who encourages posting tests in this groups.
plonk
He didn't encourage them, he told the poster it was a breach in netiquette.
But he understands how these test posts come about while many in this news
group simply can't see what I think is obvious.
Had people not dived on each of the test post threads they would have passed
unnoticed taking up no more bandwidth than a billious fart in a hurricane.
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Good one. Let's make the thread last a few million posts instead. ;-] |
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:52 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:26:41 +0200, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid>
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| Quote: | left_coast wrote:
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You are a twat who encourages posting tests in this groups.
plonk
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How eloquent. |
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:50 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:57:43 -0700, left_coast <void@void.not> Gave
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| Quote: | There is NO REQUIREMENT for ANY particular news
group to be carried on internal store and forward servers that are used to
limit access to certain groups.
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SuperNews actually has a reputation built around the FACT that they
carry nearly all 45,000 plus groups found in circulation on NNTP
servers.
You want binaries? Get a SuperNews account.
So, anyway, YES, his news provider DOES carry the "test" groups. |
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:57:43 -0700, left_coast <void@void.not> Gave
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| Quote: | He may not have ACCESS to test groups on the server that he is posting to.
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SuperNews? Get a clue. |
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Phat Bytestard
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:47 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:54:04 -0700, left_coast <void@void.not> Gave
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| Quote: | Michael Black wrote:
Because the bozo should have used a test newsgroup.
Only an idiot would mistake "should have" with technical failure. Explain it
for what it is, a breach of netiquette. There is no reason to lie and say
it is a technical failure. You do know the difference between a breach of
netiquette and a technical failure, right?
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Technically, you have both failed, as well as breached "netiquette",
which is all really a bullshit premise anyway, so does it really
matter?
But yeah, test posts in real newsgroups are lame because they are
off topic. I'd say that over 5% of all posts in all groups are,
however.
It is petty, but if you find yourself annoyed, you spend way too much
time in Usenet. Go jack off or something. |
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Chris F.A. Johnson
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject:
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On 2006-07-20, test dirt wrote:
| Quote: | Michael Black wrote:
Note the bozo posted to
alt.linux.suse
alt.os.linux.dial-up
alt.os.linux.suse
at.linux
comp.os.linux.hardware
comp.os.linux.setup
so not only did he not bother with a test newsgroup, but he couldn't even
limit it to one newsgroup.
And you reply-post to half of those.
Makes you look like a half-assed bozo.
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Which is, at most, half as bad as the OP and his defenders.
--
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Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
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bill
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject:
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In article <1153399686.67815.1@despina.uk.clara.net>,
spam@rassler.co.uk says...
| Quote: | Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
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And now that you've wasted half-a-dozen off-topic posts on a non-Linux
issue, pleae finish your trolling and find something else to do with your
time, lest you be mocked harshly just like people who post test messages
to non-test groups.
I always find it strange that people who post troll declarations never see
themselves as a troll. Maybe trolls don't have mirrors.
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PKB.
Your continued shrillness on the matter is most entertaining.
Do carry on.
Bill
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left_coast
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject:
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Bit Twister wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Jul 2006 03:41:47 GMT, Michael Black wrote:
left_coast (void@void.not) writes:
There are a number of people that may try to tell you it
failed, but it simply is NOT THE CASE.
Because the bozo should have used a test newsgroup. There are various
ones set aside for this very purpose. One can test to their heart's
content, actually testing and learning from what happens, in such
newsgroups, without
bothering anyone. But the bozo posted to live newsgroups, and if he does
that, he sure hasn't passed the test.
You may want to goto
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
lLuRwc6mjbxFS@news.heiming.de in the Message ID box
click Lookup Message
click _view thread_
and start with 4 matt left coast
and read the thread before starting down the path you have started.
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BTW, I stand behind what I said in that thread. Anyone that thinks test
groups are carried by all private store and forward nntp servers is simply
naive. Still, I wait for any that try to make the case that test group are
or should be on all servers to show any STANDARD that requires A) the use
of test groups and B) that require test groups be carried by NNTP servers.
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Still waiting for a rational answer from Bittwister to this:
<nfqlo3-qds.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>. |
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Rick Moen
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:
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BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Someone posting a test post will see their post in their reader. So why
would they want to do another?
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The traditional ritual response of 'You have failed the test' is, I
believe, intended as slightly scathing corrective humour, to discourage
others (reading existing 'test' threads) from similar misbehaviour, and
more generally to briefly reassert community standards in public.
That's how community standards work.
When I was very new to Usenet, hadn't yet noticed the test groups, and
wasn't sure my software was working correctly, I was briefly tempted to
make a fool of myself bleating 'test' into a high-traffic public group,
but instead decided to wait until I had something to say, and use _that_
as my test message. That didn't require technical understanding, just a
bare minimal amount of courtesy and some common sense.
| Quote: | The continued growth of this thread has nothing at all to do with the
orriginal poster, he has already moved on to other threads, it is the
regular posters that are making the thread large.
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Yes, it's the ceremonial keelhauling of willful idiots. Rather festive, I
think. Adds a bit of local colour on an otherwise dull day.
| Quote: | How often in the news group statistics do you see the top 5 taken up
by some nonesense that has little to do with the OS.
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New to Usenet? ;->
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Cheers, Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT. You feel
Rick Moen sleepy. Notice how restful it is to watch the cursor
rick@linuxmafia.com blink. Close your eyes. The opinions stated above are
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houghi
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject:
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BearItAll wrote:
| Quote: | Someone posting a test post will see their post in their reader. So why
would they want to do another? The continued growth of this thread has
nothing at all to do with the orriginal poster, he has already moved on to
other threads, it is the regular posters that are making the thread large.
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That is the nature of Usenet. If you do not like the thread, then you
can ignore the whole thread. It started OT, and then it become OnTopic
due to the content of what is being said.
It should have never been started in the first place. The starting of OT
is te bad thing, not the commenting (or policing, like others might call
it)
| Quote: | As for the OT, I would say that a very large proportion of news group posts
are off topic, test posts are tiny in comparrison to some of the OT dribble
that we all join in with, including yourself.
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I disagree. I look at subjects and would say that the majority, if not
all, are on-topic. As an excuse, I killfile many a complete newsgroup,
so most x-postings (including the original posting) are things I do not
even see.
| Quote: | How often in the news group
statistics do you see the top 5 taken up by some nonesense that has little
to do with the OS.
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The top 5 of what? I look at different subjects and then there is no top
5. I also think my point of view about stats has been stated already.
| Quote: | The threads where posters can have a blow out without a
risk of their knowledge base being questioned have always been the most
popular.
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Such is human nature. If these comments stay within these threads, I do
not see real harm. For me something can wander OT (Beer anybody, it is
hot here), yet they should not *START* OT. I should have been clearer
with that, sorry.
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We all came out to Montreux Frank Zappa and the Mothers
On the Lake Geneva shoreline Were at the best place around
To make records with a mobile But some stupid with a flare gun
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