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Norman Elliott
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 21
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 Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:10 am Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Ok here is my very strange problem
I installed Fedora Core 3 a while ago on a computer and it started
having problems...then I moved, so it has been awhile. Here is what
happens now.
When I boot up the pc, the computer sounds like it is firing up but the
monitor stays blank except a small cursor in the upper left. The
monitor does work though. Then after powering up the computer again,
then the screen is blank but with orange light on the monitor. A few
times of this and same thing.
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is coming
from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I kind of
think it is coming from near the processor, but I really can't tell.
It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few seconds. The
monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and the computer
and fans are all running fine.
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
I get the feeling this is not a Fedora or Linux issue, but the computer
did not have these problems when it ran Windows ME. Please can anyone
help me?
I had a problem with my PC a few months ago. |
It would get so far then fail in a simlar way to yours.
It turned out that 2 things had failed.
The PSU and the DVD Writer.
Now I suspect that the Writer had failed and damaged the PSU.
What I did was disconnect all but the primary hard disc, video card
monitor and keyboard.
It stil failed.
I connected another PSU and it worked.
I then connected one item at a time and rebooted until it stopped working.
It was fine until I connected the DVD Writer.
Norm |
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chuck@nil.car
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
Posts: 100
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:39 pm Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote in
news:1153192583.838685.152800@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
| Quote: | Ok here is my very strange problem
I installed Fedora Core 3 a while ago on a computer and it started
having problems...then I moved, so it has been awhile. Here is what
happens now.
When I boot up the pc, the computer sounds like it is firing up but
the monitor stays blank except a small cursor in the upper left. The
monitor does work though. Then after powering up the computer again,
then the screen is blank but with orange light on the monitor. A few
times of this and same thing.
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is
coming from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I
kind of think it is coming from near the processor, but I really can't
tell. It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few seconds.
The monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and the
computer and fans are all running fine.
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
I get the feeling this is not a Fedora or Linux issue, but the
computer did not have these problems when it ran Windows ME. Please
can anyone help me?
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Try a power drain - sometimes happens on name brand consumer computers -
low power power supplies *just* big enough to power it up - mostly.
shut the computer off, unplug it, hold in the power button on the
front for 30 seconds - use a watch it matters, release button, plug
back in and hit button to start. If this doesn't do it either replace
the power supply or better yet - call Gateway tech support - that's
what they're for.
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(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) ) |
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Nico Kadel-Garcia
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 1068
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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<nick.a.scott@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153239336.392881.259810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | "You can also call Gateway: there were a whole stack of vendors who
bought
new, cheap capacitors from a company that stole the trade secrets on
how to
make them by hiring away an employeefrom the old vendor. The capacitors
started failing left and right, and a lot of motherboards had to be
replaced."
I have had the PC for over 6 years, I doubt they will be of any
assistance.
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Oh, even if it's out of warrante, they might have an old repair notice on
the particular motherboard. But at six years of age, I'd seriously replace
it rather than spending a lot of time on it. |
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***** charles
*nix forums addict
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 53
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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<nick.a.scott@gmail.com> wrote in message
| Quote: | news:1153192583.838685.152800@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Ok here is my very strange problem
I installed Fedora Core 3 a while ago on a computer and it started
having problems.
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One can not make a causality statement for these two events.
The installation process did not cause the problems. You prabably
had hardware that was in failing mode anyway. It just happened
to start at that point.
| Quote: | then I moved, so it has been awhile. Here is what
happens now.
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:The act of moving a computer can in and of itself start problems
to show up. Parts can be moved around and cause partial shorts
and partial connections and component failures.
| Quote: | When I boot up the pc, the computer sounds like it is firing up but the
monitor stays blank except a small cursor in the upper left. The
monitor does work though. Then after powering up the computer again,
then the screen is blank but with orange light on the monitor. A few
times of this and same thing.
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At this point you can determine if you have a monitor problem by
connecting it to another computer that is known good. Usually
when powering up a computer where the monitor light stays an
orange color means that the video signal from the video subsystem
on the computer is not sending out a signal. Most monitors turn
green when it gets a valid video signal. So your computer
has not successfully gone through the boot routine.
| Quote: | Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is coming
from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I kind of
think it is coming from near the processor, but I really can't tell.
It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few seconds. The
monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and the computer
and fans are all running fine.
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At this point I would try a new/different power supply that is known
good and rated for your system. You always try the cheapest solution
first. Then if no different, disconnect all the devices that are plugged
into
the motherboard except the power supply and the video card (if present)
and the keyboard and the mouse and the cdrom. Put a Knoppix cd in
the cdrom and try to just boot off it, no hard drive. If this works,
suspect the hd. If it doesn't and you have tried to boot with a minimal
config you are down to motherboard, cpu and ram. Swap until the
problem dissappears. I suspect that it will end up being the motherboard.
| Quote: | Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
I get the feeling this is not a Fedora or Linux issue, but the computer
did not have these problems when it ran Windows ME. Please can anyone
help me?
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Just because it worked with Windows ME doesn't mean that another OS
caused the problem. Hardware failures just happen. They tend to happen
less with better engineering design but all hardware eventually fails. IBM
used to design the hardware in a computer for a life cycle of 10 years.
Now hardware is designed to just last the warrantee period plus one day.
Please post when you find out the cause.
later,
charles..... |
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
| Quote: | nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Jonathan Davis wrote:
nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Ok here is my very strange problem
[SNIP]
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up
then fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and
the pc locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from
inside the case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the
noise is coming from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere
else. I kind of think it is coming from near the processor, but I
really can't tell. It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after
a few seconds. The monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence
was and the computer and fans are all running fine.
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot
sequence and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS
fully running before it eventually quits. Today though I could not
get the os fully running.
Ok this is going to sound odd but have you checked the capacitors on
the motherboard for leakage? The gradual deterioration you describe
could be the symptoms of this as I have seen it a few times
before... Although this would only really happen on an older machine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Jonathan
I will check the capacitors tonight for signs of damage described in
wikipedia. This all seems to be leading me to the path of a new
motherboard, which I do not want to do.
You can also call Gateway: there were a whole stack of vendors who bought
new, cheap capacitors from a company that stole the trade secrets on how to
make them by hiring away an employeefrom the old vendor. The capacitors
started failing left and right, and a lot of motherboards had to be
replaced.
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"You can also call Gateway: there were a whole stack of vendors who
bought
new, cheap capacitors from a company that stole the trade secrets on
how to
make them by hiring away an employeefrom the old vendor. The capacitors
started failing left and right, and a lot of motherboards had to be
replaced."
I have had the PC for over 6 years, I doubt they will be of any
assistance. |
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
| Quote: | nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Ok here is my very strange problem
I installed Fedora Core 3 a while ago on a computer and it started
having problems...then I moved, so it has been awhile. Here is what
happens now.
Can you boot it with a Knoppix CD, or with a Fedora core installer CD?
When I boot up the pc, the computer sounds like it is firing up but
the monitor stays blank except a small cursor in the upper left. The
monitor does work though. Then after powering up the computer again,
then the screen is blank but with orange light on the monitor. A few
times of this and same thing.
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is
coming from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I
kind of think it is coming from near the processor, but I really
can't tell. It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few
seconds. The monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and
the computer and fans are all running fine.
This really sounds like a thermal problem: Does leaving the case open change
the behavior in any way?
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
Definitely sounds thermal, like a fan is failing. When you power it up, look
for and listen for fans that are not turning, especially your CPU fan (which
I've had fail in similar fashion) and your power supply fan, those are the
most likely to cause this kind of trouble.
I get the feeling this is not a Fedora or Linux issue, but the
computer did not have these problems when it ran Windows ME. Please
can anyone help me?
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"Can you boot it with a Knoppix CD, or with a Fedora core installer CD?
"
Same problem happens when I use a fedora installer cd. It stalls at
various points during the bootup. |
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Nico Kadel-Garcia
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 1068
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:12 pm Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Jonathan Davis wrote:
nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Ok here is my very strange problem
[SNIP]
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up
then fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and
the pc locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from
inside the case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the
noise is coming from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere
else. I kind of think it is coming from near the processor, but I
really can't tell. It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after
a few seconds. The monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence
was and the computer and fans are all running fine.
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot
sequence and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS
fully running before it eventually quits. Today though I could not
get the os fully running.
Ok this is going to sound odd but have you checked the capacitors on
the motherboard for leakage? The gradual deterioration you describe
could be the symptoms of this as I have seen it a few times
before... Although this would only really happen on an older machine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Jonathan
I will check the capacitors tonight for signs of damage described in
wikipedia. This all seems to be leading me to the path of a new
motherboard, which I do not want to do.
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You can also call Gateway: there were a whole stack of vendors who bought
new, cheap capacitors from a company that stole the trade secrets on how to
make them by hiring away an employeefrom the old vendor. The capacitors
started failing left and right, and a lot of motherboards had to be
replaced. |
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:57 am Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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Jonathan Davis wrote:
| Quote: | nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Ok here is my very strange problem
[SNIP]
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is coming
from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I kind of
think it is coming from near the processor, but I really can't tell.
It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few seconds. The
monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and the computer
and fans are all running fine.
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
Ok this is going to sound odd but have you checked the capacitors on the
motherboard for leakage? The gradual deterioration you describe could be
the symptoms of this as I have seen it a few times before... Although
this would only really happen on an older machine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Jonathan
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I will check the capacitors tonight for signs of damage described in
wikipedia. This all seems to be leading me to the path of a new
motherboard, which I do not want to do. |
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:54 am Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
| Quote: | nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
Ok here is my very strange problem
I installed Fedora Core 3 a while ago on a computer and it started
having problems...then I moved, so it has been awhile. Here is what
happens now.
Can you boot it with a Knoppix CD, or with a Fedora core installer CD?
When I boot up the pc, the computer sounds like it is firing up but
the monitor stays blank except a small cursor in the upper left. The
monitor does work though. Then after powering up the computer again,
then the screen is blank but with orange light on the monitor. A few
times of this and same thing.
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is
coming from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I
kind of think it is coming from near the processor, but I really
can't tell. It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few
seconds. The monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and
the computer and fans are all running fine.
This really sounds like a thermal problem: Does leaving the case open change
the behavior in any way?
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
Definitely sounds thermal, like a fan is failing. When you power it up, look
for and listen for fans that are not turning, especially your CPU fan (which
I've had fail in similar fashion) and your power supply fan, those are the
most likely to cause this kind of trouble.
I get the feeling this is not a Fedora or Linux issue, but the
computer did not have these problems when it ran Windows ME. Please
can anyone help me?
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All Fans seem to be working fine and having the case open does not seem
to help |
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Jonathan Davis
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:40 am Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Ok here is my very strange problem
[SNIP]
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is coming
from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I kind of
think it is coming from near the processor, but I really can't tell.
It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few seconds. The
monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and the computer
and fans are all running fine.
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
|
Ok this is going to sound odd but have you checked the capacitors on the
motherboard for leakage? The gradual deterioration you describe could be
the symptoms of this as I have seen it a few times before... Although
this would only really happen on an older machine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Jonathan |
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Nico Kadel-Garcia
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 1068
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:30 am Post subject:
Re: PC Problem on boot up
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Ok here is my very strange problem
I installed Fedora Core 3 a while ago on a computer and it started
having problems...then I moved, so it has been awhile. Here is what
happens now.
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Can you boot it with a Knoppix CD, or with a Fedora core installer CD?
| Quote: | When I boot up the pc, the computer sounds like it is firing up but
the monitor stays blank except a small cursor in the upper left. The
monitor does work though. Then after powering up the computer again,
then the screen is blank but with orange light on the monitor. A few
times of this and same thing.
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is
coming from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I
kind of think it is coming from near the processor, but I really
can't tell. It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few
seconds. The monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and
the computer and fans are all running fine.
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This really sounds like a thermal problem: Does leaving the case open change
the behavior in any way?
| Quote: | Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
|
Definitely sounds thermal, like a fan is failing. When you power it up, look
for and listen for fans that are not turning, especially your CPU fan (which
I've had fail in similar fashion) and your power supply fan, those are the
most likely to cause this kind of trouble.
| Quote: | I get the feeling this is not a Fedora or Linux issue, but the
computer did not have these problems when it ran Windows ME. Please
can anyone help me? |
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nick.a.scott@gmail.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Posts: 5
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:16 am Post subject:
PC Problem on boot up
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Ok here is my very strange problem
I installed Fedora Core 3 a while ago on a computer and it started
having problems...then I moved, so it has been awhile. Here is what
happens now.
When I boot up the pc, the computer sounds like it is firing up but the
monitor stays blank except a small cursor in the upper left. The
monitor does work though. Then after powering up the computer again,
then the screen is blank but with orange light on the monitor. A few
times of this and same thing.
Eventually when I power it up the gateway splash screen comes up then
fedora starts to boot up. Then something just gives up and the pc
locks up. When this happens there is a noise coming from inside the
case. When the case is open I cannot figure out if the noise is coming
from the motherboard, the power supply or somewhere else. I kind of
think it is coming from near the processor, but I really can't tell.
It is kind of a whining noise and it stops after a few seconds. The
monitor is locked at wherever the boot sequence was and the computer
and fans are all running fine.
Each time I boot up, it seems to progress further in the boot sequence
and sometimes in the past it will actually get the OS fully running
before it eventually quits. Today though I could not get the os fully
running.
I get the feeling this is not a Fedora or Linux issue, but the computer
did not have these problems when it ran Windows ME. Please can anyone
help me? |
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