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Michael Soibelman
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 Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:
Re: SLED 10: no updates after 60 days?
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Yugo wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Jones wrote:
Yugo wrote:
Robert wrote:
"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real
open source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd
rather they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi
points out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a
bothed up version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's
the way Red Hat acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard
way. Obviously Suse hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company
is badly mismanaged.
I really don't understand all the verbage......RedHat....does basically
the same thing with their Server vs Fedora core,
From all I've heard, it seems Fedora Core 5 works superbly well. It's in
no way a second class product like OpenSuse 10.1.
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Vincent M
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:30 am Post subject:
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Jim Jones wrote:
| Quote: | Yugo wrote:
Robert wrote:
"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real
open source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd
rather they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi
points out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a
bothed up version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's
the way Red Hat acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard
way. Obviously Suse hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company
is badly mismanaged.
I really don't understand all the verbage......RedHat....does basically
the same thing with their Server vs Fedora core,
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From all I've heard, it seems Fedora Core 5 works superbly well. It's in
no way a second class product like OpenSuse 10.1. |
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houghi
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:
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Jim Jones wrote:
| Quote: | I really don't understand all the verbage <snip
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Me neither, but it explains why he is in my killfile. :-)
It is still feeling angry because of the zen that was send out with an
issue. They fixed that. I have no idea why people who hate Novell so
much keep on using their software.
It must be because they do not understand that SUSE Linux and SLE* are
two different products with two different targergroups.
To compare, I drive a New Beetle and I could get angry why they charge
so much for their 4 wheel drive touareg.
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James R. Jones
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject:
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Yugo wrote:
| Quote: | Robert wrote:
"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real
open source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd
rather they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi points
out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a bothed up
version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's the way Red
Hat acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard way. Obviously
Suse hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company is badly mismanaged.
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I really don't understand all the verbage......RedHat....does basically
the same thing with their Server vs Fedora core, apparently with
Mandrake/Mandriva you must be a member $$$ of their club to get your
updates. So if SuSe uses OpenSuse to test code and operability and gives
it to you for free, what is the beef?? I had all I wanted of 10.1 and
it's little gotchas so I went back to the boxed set of 10.0 I had
purchased to await the release of 10.2. Hopefully 10.2 will be a more
polished version. Either way when I get it for free I might whine when
it doesn't work just right(like zen updates) but if I don't like it I go
back to what did work.
Jim
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Chris Maaskant
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
Posts: 193
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject:
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Yugo wrote:
| Quote: | I would think not since SLED 10 contains software that SUSE 10.1 doesn't.
Like?
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I realy couldn't tell 
But from the reviews i've seen of SLED 10 the gnome desktop uses a different
menu application than SUSE 10.1, so it has different software, or maybe the
same software but set up differently, anyhow SLED 10 is a different product
that needs updates and patches that are made for SLED 10.
Most likely you can find out more about the two products on www.novell.com
Chris Maaskant.
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robert bowman
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Joined: 10 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject:
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Robert wrote:
| Quote: | Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd rather
they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
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It's better if it costs money . We don't have many clients who run Linux;
the few who migrated from AIX just aren't comfortable with an OS they don't
pay for and like the name brand recognition of RH. afaik, they never use
the support, but sleep better knowing that it is there.
Think of it as corporate SLED users subsidizing the free distros.
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Tyrion the Imp
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:02 am Post subject:
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Yugo wrote:
| Quote: | Robert wrote:
"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real
open source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi points
out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a bothed up
version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's the way Red
Hat acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard way. Obviously
Suse hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company is badly mismanaged.
Why am I surprised people still think like this? Novell has always been |
a company run by very stupid but lucky businessmen. They utterly wasted
a virtual monopoly with Netware. SUSE is just their next project:
squeeze it dry and then let Micro$oft take over with a much worse product. |
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Vincent M
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Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Posts: 1332
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:30 am Post subject:
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Robert wrote:
| Quote: | "Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real open
source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd rather they
didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
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I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi points
out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a bothed up
version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's the way Red Hat
acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard way. Obviously Suse
hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company is badly mismanaged. |
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houghi
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:59 am Post subject:
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Robert wrote:
| Quote: | Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd rather they
didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
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Why? Please read the GPL. It is free as in speech, not free as in beer.
Oh, and nobody is forcing you to buy it.
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Who's there?
Under the Patriot Act, we don't have to tell you that. |
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Robert
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:50 am Post subject:
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"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real open
source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
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Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd rather they
didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it. |
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Vincent M
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject:
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Larry I Smith wrote:
| Quote: | Yugo wrote:
Yugo wrote:
SUSE® Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 Evaluation version requires an
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
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Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real open
source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that. |
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Larry I Smith
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:
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Yugo wrote:
| Quote: | Yugo wrote:
SUSE® Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 Evaluation version requires an
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Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
| Quote: | Activation Code for access to product updates. The Activation Code is
valid for 60 days, and does not include access to Novell Support
services. Click the following button to receive your activation code.
Make note of the code, then click the link under Download Media to
return to the download site.
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=N1YveG_t53Y
Does this mean that security updates, amongst others, won't be
available after 60 days for SLED 10 or can OpenSuse 11's updates be used?
Err.. make this OpenSuse 10.1's updates
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Vincent M
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject:
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Robert Hull wrote:
| Quote: | On Monday 17 July 2006 20:43, Yugo <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in
alt.os.linux.suse:
Does this mean that security updates, amongst others, won't be
available after 60 days for SLED 10 or can OpenSuse 11's updates be
used?
Why don't you wait a coule of years until OpenSUSEE 11 comes out, then
try it?
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That's a good idea! But, you know, we might still find out there are more
problems -- nothing important, for sure, just as having problems to update
with Suse 10.1 -- and it would be better to wait for Suse 12.
I hope they skip 13! |
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Vincent M
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject:
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Chris Maaskant wrote:
| Quote: | Yugo wrote:
Does this mean that security updates, amongst others, won't be available
after 60 days for SLED 10 or can OpenSuse 11's updates be used?
Err.. make this OpenSuse 10.1's updates
I would think not since SLED 10 contains software that SUSE 10.1 doesn't.
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Like?
| Quote: | If you want updates for SLED 10 you'll have to pay for it.
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It might sound like a no-go for me... |
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Robert Hull
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject:
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On Monday 17 July 2006 20:43, Yugo <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in
alt.os.linux.suse:
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Does this mean that security updates, amongst others, won't be
available after 60 days for SLED 10 or can OpenSuse 11's updates be
used?
Why don't you wait a coule of years until OpenSUSEE 11 comes out, then |
try it?
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