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houghi
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 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:
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Jim Jones wrote:
| Quote: | I really don't understand all the verbage <snip
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Me neither, but it explains why he is in my killfile. :-)
It is still feeling angry because of the zen that was send out with an
issue. They fixed that. I have no idea why people who hate Novell so
much keep on using their software.
It must be because they do not understand that SUSE Linux and SLE* are
two different products with two different targergroups.
To compare, I drive a New Beetle and I could get angry why they charge
so much for their 4 wheel drive touareg.
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Vincent M
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:30 am Post subject:
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Jim Jones wrote:
| Quote: | Yugo wrote:
Robert wrote:
"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real
open source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd
rather they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi
points out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a
bothed up version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's
the way Red Hat acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard
way. Obviously Suse hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company
is badly mismanaged.
I really don't understand all the verbage......RedHat....does basically
the same thing with their Server vs Fedora core,
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From all I've heard, it seems Fedora Core 5 works superbly well. It's in
no way a second class product like OpenSuse 10.1. |
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Michael Soibelman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:38 am Post subject:
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Yugo wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Jones wrote:
Yugo wrote:
Robert wrote:
"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for 10.2
around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a real
open source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd
rather they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi
points out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a
bothed up version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's
the way Red Hat acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard
way. Obviously Suse hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company
is badly mismanaged.
I really don't understand all the verbage......RedHat....does basically
the same thing with their Server vs Fedora core,
From all I've heard, it seems Fedora Core 5 works superbly well. It's in
no way a second class product like OpenSuse 10.1.
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James R. Jones
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:57 am Post subject:
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Yugo wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Jones wrote:
Yugo wrote:
Robert wrote:
"Yugo" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12bo700jek2h9f@corp.supernews.com...
Note the words "Evaluation version" above. The 60 days applies to
the "Evaluation version" of SLED 10.
SLED 10 is not free. If you want a NON-evaluation version,
you have to buy it.
Or, you can use OpenSuse 10.1 that is buggy as hell or wait for
10.2 around Christmas hoping that it will be any better... or use a
real open source distro that doesn't have two categories of users.
I'll consider that.
Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd
rather they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
I don't mind them charging cash if people want support. As Houghi
points out, its completely GPL legal. But I do mind them providing a
bothed up version of OpenSuse and a polished version of SLED. That's
the way Red Hat acted at first with Fedora, but they learned the hard
way. Obviously Suse hasn't learned from Red Hat errors. This company
is badly mismanaged.
I really don't understand all the verbage......RedHat....does
basically the same thing with their Server vs Fedora core,
From all I've heard, it seems Fedora Core 5 works superbly well. It's
in no way a second class product like OpenSuse 10.1.
One more comment and I will quit. I have tried Fedora 3, 4 and 5. I have |
also run SuSe's version 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, 10.0 and 10.1. Not one of the
Fedora's even come close to the quality and versatility of the SuSe
distros whether they were the older SuSe pro's or the newer OpenSuse
versions. Even with the problems of Suse 10.1, I am fully convinced that
10.2 will be right back to the top quality, top of the heap Distro that
SuSe has been and will be. SLED is meant to compete with Windows head on
therefore it will be a paid OS, the fees being for support. I have no
problems at all using the OpenSuse distros as they are the bleeding edge
distros that the solid and stable SLED and SLES products are built from.
Jim
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Robert Hull
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:11 am Post subject:
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On Wednesday 19 July 2006 00:20, houghi <houghi@houghi.org.invalid>
wrote in alt.os.linux.suse:
| Quote: | Jim Jones wrote:
I really don't understand all the verbage <snip
Me neither, but it explains why he is in my killfile. :-)
It is still feeling angry because of the zen that was send out with an
issue. They fixed that. I have no idea why people who hate Novell so
much keep on using their software.
It must be because they do not understand that SUSE Linux and SLE* are
two different products with two different targergroups.
To compare, I drive a New Beetle and I could get angry why they charge
so much for their 4 wheel drive touareg.
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Much better to get angry about why it doesn't have all the functionality
of a Bentley or a Porsche - after all they are made by the same
company 
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Robert Hull
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:13 am Post subject:
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On Monday 17 July 2006 23:30, Yugo <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in
alt.os.linux.suse:
| Quote: | Robert Hull wrote:
On Monday 17 July 2006 20:43, Yugo <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in
alt.os.linux.suse:
Does this mean that security updates, amongst others, won't be
available after 60 days for SLED 10 or can OpenSuse 11's updates be
used?
Why don't you wait a coule of years until OpenSUSEE 11 comes out,
then try it?
That's a good idea! But, you know, we might still find out there are
more problems -- nothing important, for sure, just as having problems
to update with Suse 10.1 -- and it would be better to wait for Suse
12.
I hope they skip 13!
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WTF has OpenSUSE 12 or 13 got to do with the OP's question about
OpenSUSE 11?
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houghi
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:37 am Post subject:
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Robert Hull wrote:
| Quote: | WTF has OpenSUSE 12 or 13 got to do with the OP's question about
OpenSUSE 11?
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I think the more important question is: when will openSUSE 13.0 come
out. And don't bullshit me wuth 'when it is ready'. I want an exact date
and time.
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James R. Jones
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:29 am Post subject:
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Hull wrote:
WTF has OpenSUSE 12 or 13 got to do with the OP's question about
OpenSUSE 11?
I think the more important question is: when will openSUSE 13.0 come
out. And don't bullshit me wuth 'when it is ready'. I want an exact date
and time.
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Even better, when will the updates to 13.0 be ready, I want to know
before I install it....LOL
Jim
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Clive Eisen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject:
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Robert Hull wrote:
WTF has OpenSUSE 12 or 13 got to do with the OP's question about
OpenSUSE 11?
I think the more important question is: when will openSUSE 13.0 come
out. And don't bullshit me wuth 'when it is ready'. I want an exact date
and time.
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Vincent M
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:43 am Post subject:
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Jim Jones wrote:
| Quote: | Even with the problems of Suse 10.1, I am fully convinced that
10.2 will be right back to the top quality, top of the heap Distro that
SuSe has been and will be
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Here, I've got to ditto Soibleman:
That's Nice..
Just too bad they didn't do it right the first time. Do you really believe
they didn't know of all the problens 10.1 had? |
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Zemran
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:32 am Post subject:
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houghi wrote:
| Quote: | Jim Jones wrote:
I really don't understand all the verbage <snip
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Agreed...
We get a free, as in beer, product that most of us use and are happy with
and if someone wants something that is a better, glossy version that took a
lot of work to refine then they can buy it. I have often spent a lot of
money to use Linux with box sets of SuSE Pro < 9.x and games from Loki
(R.I.P.) etc. knowing that if I was a Win user I could get skanky copies
for free. I do not mind anyone earning a fair rate for a good job, I
object to being ripped off by the Win system of some 'license' to use
something I buy in a way that someone else dictates.
I do not support Transgaming/Cedega because they are trying to bring that
system into Linux and although I have tried and liked Mandriva I felt the
same with their marketting system. I would be happy to buy Cedega if they
said it was 15 pounds and you could update for that version but I am not
happy with a minimum of 15 pounds for 3 months membership and if they bring
out a new version the next day you are stuffed. I do agree that it is up
to them how they market, just as it is up to me to say that I do not like
them and will not give them my money :p
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John Howell
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:10 am Post subject:
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Seconded, don't like this SLED business they have concocted. I'd rather
they didn't call it Linux if they're gonna charge cash for it.
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Hey what's wrong with charging for "free" software? You're not buying the
software, you are paying $50USD for support for that particular distro.
If I looked at the value of my time as an IT professional, that is less than
what my company charges for me for 1 hour's work.
How long did I spend getting MP3s to play in Suse 10? 3 hrs give or take the
first time. If I had to pay for my own time, I would definately have been
better off with SLED10 than OSS10.
Which did I have more fun playing with? OSS10 of course 8)
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houghi
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:47 am Post subject:
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John Howell wrote:
| Quote: | How long did I spend getting MP3s to play in Suse 10? 3 hrs give or take the
first time.
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Strangely I never had any issues with playing mp3's. At least not more
then finding out how to log in when I saw "login:" I had no idea what
'root' was and that I needed to enter it.
Yet mp3's were never an issue. Even now adding Packman is not a real
issue and if that takes you 3 hours, I have serious doubts in your
search engine skills.  http://tinyurl.com/kw46n
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