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Aurélien Morelle
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Joined: 09 Jul 2006
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 Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:20 am Post subject:
Re: ICQ with Linux
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I have not tried ICQ or Jabber yet but you didn't mention Kopete and it
manages them as it manages MSN and yahoo or other. Maybe give it a try ?
Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | I've been following the various suggestions come from this list
about the possibilities Linux offers to chat:
my family want to use `messenger' and ICQ, and before resigning myself
to use MS Windows I wanted to check all the possibilities.
My impression is that `gaim' manages to use the MSN protocol quite fine,
whereas for ICQ, nor `licq' neither `centericq' neither `gabber' (through
jabber network) can satisfactorily replace the richness of
original ICQ for MS Windows. They only allow the mere IM function
but don't really allow (as far as I saw)
wide users search or multiple chat.
So I'll have to use MS Windows, although I wouldn't like.
If anybody has a different experience, i.e. finds that licq,
or any other application can perform those functions just or almost
just as the original does - and this means that I didn't manage to use
them properly - please let me know, I'll be glad to have been wrong.
Thanks, cheers,
Rodolfo
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kevin.mark@verizon.net
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:10 am Post subject:
Re: ICQ with Linux (was: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux)
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 10:24:37PM +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | I've been following the various suggestions come from this list
about the possibilities Linux offers to chat:
my family want to use `messenger' and ICQ, and before resigning myself
to use MS Windows I wanted to check all the possibilities.
My impression is that `gaim' manages to use the MSN protocol quite fine,
whereas for ICQ, nor `licq' neither `centericq' neither `gabber' (through
jabber network) can satisfactorily replace the richness of
original ICQ for MS Windows. They only allow the mere IM function
but don't really allow (as far as I saw)
wide users search or multiple chat.
So I'll have to use MS Windows, although I wouldn't like.
If anybody has a different experience, i.e. finds that licq,
or any other application can perform those functions just or almost
just as the original does - and this means that I didn't manage to use
them properly - please let me know, I'll be glad to have been wrong.
Thanks, cheers,
Hi Rodolfo, |
I have had some success with using Wine to run some Win32 programs:
Internet Explorer, Firefox with flash 8, photoshop,... Thus I get the
ability to run an win32 program, dont need to buy M$ Os and dont need to
install it. Maybe try ICQ with WINE.
Cheers,
Kev
ps. It beats having your folks having a nice virus/spyware target x-)
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Owen Heisler
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject:
Re: ICQ with Linux (was: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux)
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On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 22:24 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | I've been following the various suggestions come from this list
about the possibilities Linux offers to chat:
my family want to use `messenger' and ICQ, and before resigning myself
to use MS Windows I wanted to check all the possibilities.
My impression is that `gaim' manages to use the MSN protocol quite fine,
whereas for ICQ, nor `licq' neither `centericq' neither `gabber' (through
jabber network) can satisfactorily replace the richness of
original ICQ for MS Windows. They only allow the mere IM function
but don't really allow (as far as I saw)
wide users search or multiple chat.
So I'll have to use MS Windows, although I wouldn't like.
If anybody has a different experience, i.e. finds that licq,
or any other application can perform those functions just or almost
just as the original does - and this means that I didn't manage to use
them properly - please let me know, I'll be glad to have been wrong.
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On the Jabber network, GAIM will do multiple chat. Basically, you set
up a conversation room (with a password if you want) and then either
invite people or let them enter themselves. I don't know about the
MSN network though. Perhaps you could convince the others to use GAIM
on Windows and the Jabber network?
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Rodolfo Medina
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Joined: 25 Dec 2005
Posts: 62
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject:
ICQ with Linux (was: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux)
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I've been following the various suggestions come from this list
about the possibilities Linux offers to chat:
my family want to use `messenger' and ICQ, and before resigning myself
to use MS Windows I wanted to check all the possibilities.
My impression is that `gaim' manages to use the MSN protocol quite fine,
whereas for ICQ, nor `licq' neither `centericq' neither `gabber' (through
jabber network) can satisfactorily replace the richness of
original ICQ for MS Windows. They only allow the mere IM function
but don't really allow (as far as I saw)
wide users search or multiple chat.
So I'll have to use MS Windows, although I wouldn't like.
If anybody has a different experience, i.e. finds that licq,
or any other application can perform those functions just or almost
just as the original does - and this means that I didn't manage to use
them properly - please let me know, I'll be glad to have been wrong.
Thanks, cheers,
Rodolfo
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Owen Heisler
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:10 am Post subject:
Re: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux
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On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 23:52 +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | At 1153225783 past the epoch, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
Through Gaim I'm trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
[...]
When I click the `chat' icon a room name is required,
which I don't know (sorry, I've never chatted before).
bootlog <boo2you@gmx.net> writes:
afaik icq doesn't offer chatrooms. it's a pure IM network. so the idea
is to "chat" with one specific person on direct connection, not in a
chat room. you don' t need no special syntax, it's just about searching
or simply adding people that use icq to your list.
Today I installed icq in my MS Windows partition and tried it,
and it is actually possible to join public group chatrooms:
I did it myself. There's a room called `#Computers', another one
called `#20 something', another named `#French' and so on.
They're hundreds.
Maybe you mean that they're not strictly related to icq?
But anyway I don't manage to join them through `gaim', nor with
`centericq' nor with `gabber' (using Jabber network).
I wish I could do without MS Windows.
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I think I have tried connecting to IRC with GAIM, but don't remember
whether it worked. To me, GAIM doesn't really seem to be designed for
use with the IRC networks. I suggest trying out xchat. It should have
lots of IRC network servers already set up. Once you've connected,
perhaps these will help you:
Windows > Channel List - for finding channels/rooms
Commands:
/msg NickServ HELP
/msg NickServ <Specific Command> HELP
/join <channel>
The "register" command allows you to register your nick.
I'm sure there is a lot more that could be said, but this is what I
needed to know about IRC when I started using it.
--I haven't been following this thread; hopefully this message isn't
terribly out of place.
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bootlog
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Re: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux
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Rodolfo Medina schrieb:
| Quote: | At 1153225783 past the epoch, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
Through Gaim I'm trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
[...]
When I click the `chat' icon a room name is required,
which I don't know (sorry, I've never chatted before).
bootlog <boo2you@gmx.net> writes:
afaik icq doesn't offer chatrooms. it's a pure IM network. so the idea
is to "chat" with one specific person on direct connection, not in a
chat room. you don' t need no special syntax, it's just about searching
or simply adding people that use icq to your list.
Today I installed icq in my MS Windows partition and tried it,
and it is actually possible to join public group chatrooms:
I did it myself. There's a room called `#Computers', another one
called `#20 something', another named `#French' and so on.
They're hundreds.
Maybe you mean that they're not strictly related to icq?
But anyway I don't manage to join them through `gaim', nor with
`centericq' nor with `gabber' (using Jabber network).
I wish I could do without MS Windows.
Further hints highly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rodolfo
hum... i did not know that. maybe gaim is just not capacle of that. |
however, why don't you join irc channels instead? there are millions...
and it's a free network^^
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Rodolfo Medina
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux
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At 1153225783 past the epoch, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | Through Gaim I'm trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
[...]
When I click the `chat' icon a room name is required,
which I don't know (sorry, I've never chatted before).
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bootlog <boo2you@gmx.net> writes:
| Quote: | afaik icq doesn't offer chatrooms. it's a pure IM network. so the idea
is to "chat" with one specific person on direct connection, not in a
chat room. you don' t need no special syntax, it's just about searching
or simply adding people that use icq to your list.
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Today I installed icq in my MS Windows partition and tried it,
and it is actually possible to join public group chatrooms:
I did it myself. There's a room called `#Computers', another one
called `#20 something', another named `#French' and so on.
They're hundreds.
Maybe you mean that they're not strictly related to icq?
But anyway I don't manage to join them through `gaim', nor with
`centericq' nor with `gabber' (using Jabber network).
I wish I could do without MS Windows.
Further hints highly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rodolfo
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Rodolfo Medina
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux
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At 1153225783 past the epoch, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | Through Gaim I'm trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
[...]
When I click the `chat' icon a room name is required,
which I don't know (sorry, I've never chatted before).
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Jon Dowland <lists@alcopop.org> writes:
| Quote: | The model of joining existing chatrooms is more like
Internet Relay Chat (IRC) than Instant Messaging (IM). For
example, try installing xchat and when the Networks window
appears, select the default 'Debian Servers'. You'll be
plonked onto the "Open and Free Technology Community" (OFTC)
network and into the debian channel (denoted with a hash,
#debian).
(gaim can also do IRC out-of-the-box but is not as well
suited to it, imho)
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Yes, with IRC I manage:
I start irc, then type: `/join #debian' and that'all.
It's with ICQ that I don't manage to chat.
Maybe what I need is the proper syntax/name for am existing
ICQ chatroom?
Rodolfo
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Jon Dowland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:30 am Post subject:
Re: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux
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At 1153225783 past the epoch, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | But, suppose I want to enter a chatroom that already
exists: that's what I mean and don't know how to do.
Sorry, but, as I said, I've never chatted before.
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The model of joining existing chatrooms is more like
Internet Relay Chat (IRC) than Instant Messaging (IM). For
example, try installing xchat and when the Networks window
appears, select the default 'Debian Servers'. You'll be
plonked onto the "Open and Free Technology Community" (OFTC)
network and into the debian channel (denoted with a hash,
#debian).
(gaim can also do IRC out-of-the-box but is not as well
suited to it, imho)
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Rodolfo Medina
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:50 am Post subject:
Re: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux
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Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Through Gaim I'm trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
[...]
When I click the `chat' icon a room name is required,
which I don't know (sorry, I've never chatted before).
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Jon Dowland <lists@alcopop.org> writes:
| Quote: | With IM, you tend to have two modes of operation. The first
(and most common) is directly messaging a contact. If you do
not have any contacts yet, this is not an option. The second
is to create a virtual chatroom and invite your contacts
into it. I think that you must be attempting the latter now.
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But, suppose I want to enter a chatroom that already exists:
that's what I mean and don't know how to do.
Sorry, but, as I said, I've never chatted before.
Thanks,
Rodolfo
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Jon Dowland
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:40 am Post subject:
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At 1153176741 past the epoch, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
Through Gaim I'm also trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
Kai Schroeder <schroeder@stw-bonn.de> writes:
Do you mean Screen Name instead of room name? You have to put your ICQ
number there obtained from www.icq.com.
No, just room name.
I created my icq account the way you say, but then:
how do I actually chat?
When I click the `chat' icon a room name is required,
which I don't know (sorry, I've never chatted before).
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With IM, you tend to have two modes of operation. The first
(and most common) is directly messaging a contact. If you do
not have any contacts yet, this is not an option. The second
is to create a virtual chatroom and invite your contacts
into it. I think that you must be attempting the latter now.
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Rodolfo Medina
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux
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Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Through Gaim I'm also trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
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Kai Schroeder <schroeder@stw-bonn.de> writes:
| Quote: | Do you mean Screen Name instead of room name? You have to put your ICQ
number there obtained from www.icq.com.
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No, just room name.
I created my icq account the way you say, but then:
how do I actually chat?
When I click the `chat' icon a room name is required,
which I don't know (sorry, I've never chatted before).
Thanks,
Rodolfo
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Rodolfo Medina
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:20 am Post subject:
Chatting with Debian GNU/Linux (was: A question about chatting)
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Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | My sister wants to chat with MS Windows users who use a chat
program called `messenger'.
Can she do that using Debian GNU/Linux, and will any IRC client
be fine? A command line tool would be better, as `ircii'.
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Many thanks to Rob, Kelly and Alejandro for their replies.
Through Gaim I'm also trying to chat via ICQ, but when asked for
a room name I don't know what to put there.
A hint about the proper syntax or what on earth I should
type in there? (I've never chatted before.)
Thanks, cheers,
Rodolfo
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Alejandro Bárcena Campos
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Rodolfo Medina wrote:
| Quote: | Hi, Debian users.
My sister wants to chat with MS Windows users who use a chat
program called `messenger'.
Can she do that using Debian GNU/Linux, and will any IRC client
be fine? A command line tool would be better, as `ircii'.
Thanks for any reply,
Rodolfo
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She would like amsn since it is very similar to the ms version.
Saludos,
alejandro bárcena
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Kelly Clowers
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On 7/16/06, Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi, Debian users.
My sister wants to chat with MS Windows users who use a chat
program called `messenger'.
Can she do that using Debian GNU/Linux, and will any IRC client
be fine? A command line tool would be better, as `ircii'.
Thanks for any reply,
Rodolfo
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MSN Messenger is not related to IRC, but their are a couple ways
to communicate with people that use MSN Messenger.
One is to use a multi-protocol IM program such as Gaim or Kopete.
They can connect to many different protocols, including AIM, ICQ,
Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger.
The other way is to use the Jabber network. Jabber is a free and
open IM network (the others are proprietary, and unofficial clients
like Gaim and Kopete work only because someone reverse
engineered the protocol). Any Jabber client can connect to any
Jabber server and in addition many Jabber servers have Gateways
that can connect to the other IM services.
Jabber clients for Linux include Psi, Gabber2, Kopete and Gaim.
There is some info on using gateways here:
http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber#Finding_Gateways
You mention command line clients; I thought there weren't any
MSN command line clients but I was wrong. There is gtmess
and MSNre and Centericq, which is multi-protocol. Command
line Jabber clients include Cabber and IMcom.
Hope the helps.
Cheers,
Kelly
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