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Nico Kadel-Garcia
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 Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:48 am Post subject:
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onkar wrote:
| Quote: | I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
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Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections have a
router in your house that provides your network connection as a normal
uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in your PC, rather than
as part of an external box? |
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M. Trimble
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:
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onkar wrote:
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| Quote: | What should I do ?? I am trying to configure net on linux for last 15
days ...Please Help me
Urgent ??
What is the problem ??
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Part of the problem might be that you're running FC2, an older version, and
one that - given some of the other posts to this NG - might not be
supported well if at all.
Granted, I'm not an expert on the matter, but I think it might be a good
idea to upgrade to a more recent version. The more recent version might
support your internet setup 'out of the box' and if not would probably be
easier to configure/modify for that. You're likely to get better
hardware/software support both from redhat and from the community in
general, in the form of easier to find modules/rpm's/etc., better
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Allen Kistler
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
| Quote: | onkar wrote:
I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections have a
router in your house that provides your network connection as a normal
uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in your PC, rather than
as part of an external box?
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I use rp-pppoe, which uses ppp as part of it. My DSL modem is just a
DSL modem. I don't use FC2 any more, but I've used the same rp-pppoe
config since about RH7.3 (maybe it was RH9).
The correct way to start pppoe is "/etc/init.d/adsl start" or your
favorite variation. Other than that, make sure /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf,
pap-secrets, and chap-secrets has all the right stuff in it. |
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Michael Heiming
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In comp.os.linux.setup onkar <onkar.n.m@gmail.com>:
| Quote: | I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
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| Quote: | What should I do ?? I am trying to configure net on linux for last 15
days ...Please Help me
Urgent ??
What is the problem ??
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This is from a FC5 box (rp-pppoe-3.5-31):
$ rpm -ql rp-pppoe
[..]
/sbin/adsl-connect
/sbin/adsl-setup
/sbin/adsl-start
/sbin/adsl-status
/sbin/adsl-stop
[..]
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/adsl-connect
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/adsl-init
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/adsl-setup
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/adsl-start
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/adsl-status
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/adsl-stop
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs/firewall-masq
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs/firewall-masq.ipchains
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs/firewall-standalone
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs/firewall-standalone.ipchains
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs/pap-secrets
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs/pppoe-server-options
/usr/share/doc/rp-pppoe-3.5/configs/pppoe.conf
/usr/share/man/man5/pppoe.conf.5.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/adsl-connect.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/adsl-setup.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/adsl-start.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/adsl-status.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/adsl-stop.8.gz
I'd start with 'man adsl-setup' which sounds most reasonable to
me.
You need to upgrade to FC 5 sooner or later anyway, iirc FC2
isn't supported anymore, though it shouldn't matter to get your
box connected for a first test through adsl.
The same procedure applies to almost any problem on your box:
- Check which package files belong to.
- Gather which documentation comes with the package.
- Read the fine manual(s) (RTFM), try to follow the outlined
steps.
If it doesn't work as expected, reread docs and try again. Still
no luck? Try searching the Internet, especially the usenet
archives (groups.google.com) might have the answer. If you still
encounter problems, ask in the most related ng, include full info
what you are running and what you have already tried. Not your
impressions what is happening, but real data via cut&paste.
Good luck
BTW
We have outlined this and other useful tips in our frequently
posted new reader FAQ:
"A new reader? Welcome to comp.os.linux.setup, read this first if
you're new here (FAQ)"
Usually just a matter of scrolling down in this newsgroup, which
is *NOT* a groups.google forum!
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spike1@freenet.co.uk
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Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:
| Quote: | onkar wrote:
I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections have a
router in your house that provides your network connection as a normal
uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in your PC, rather than
as part of an external box?
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That all depends if th adsl is connected via ethernet or usb.
If it's usb then it'll need PPPoE or PPPoATM.
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Michael Heiming
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In comp.os.linux.setup spike1@freenet.co.uk:
| Quote: | Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:
onkar wrote:
I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections have a
router in your house that provides your network connection as a normal
uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in your PC, rather than
as part of an external box?
That all depends if th adsl is connected via ethernet or usb.
If it's usb then it'll need PPPoE or PPPoATM.
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My adsl is using ethernet, connected to an adsl modem and running
pppoe just fine. Looks like Nico wrongly or not, we don't know
there's just not enough information, presumed anyone including
the OP would use some stinking hardware router?
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Nico Kadel-Garcia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject:
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Michael Heiming wrote:
| Quote: | In comp.os.linux.setup spike1@freenet.co.uk:
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:
onkar wrote:
I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections
have a router in your house that provides your network connection
as a normal uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in
your PC, rather than as part of an external box?
That all depends if th adsl is connected via ethernet or usb.
If it's usb then it'll need PPPoE or PPPoATM.
My adsl is using ethernet, connected to an adsl modem and running
pppoe just fine. Looks like Nico wrongly or not, we don't know
there's just not enough information, presumed anyone including
the OP would use some stinking hardware router?
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I've used ADSL and cable modems. In both cases, the company provided an
external box that provided a CAT5, 10baseT, plain old ethernet network
connection for my computer or my household router. No PPPoE was involved.
USB? Where did USB enter this? I've used USB/ethernet adapters with good
success, but haven't seen any USB/ADSL adapters, and suggest that that is
orthogonal to the question of using PPPoE.
There are companies that use PPPoE for their ADSL connections, and probably
for cable modems as well, but it's not technologically necessary in most
setups. It may be desirable: it's a serious pain in the ass to set up
webservers or FTP servers that run behind PPPoE links, and it's a reasonable
way to help prevent your users from running such services. |
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Unruh
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject:
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"Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nkadel@comcast.net> writes:
| Quote: | Michael Heiming wrote:
In comp.os.linux.setup spike1@freenet.co.uk:
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:
onkar wrote:
I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections
have a router in your house that provides your network connection
as a normal uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in
your PC, rather than as part of an external box?
That all depends if th adsl is connected via ethernet or usb.
If it's usb then it'll need PPPoE or PPPoATM.
My adsl is using ethernet, connected to an adsl modem and running
pppoe just fine. Looks like Nico wrongly or not, we don't know
there's just not enough information, presumed anyone including
the OP would use some stinking hardware router?
I've used ADSL and cable modems. In both cases, the company provided an
external box that provided a CAT5, 10baseT, plain old ethernet network
connection for my computer or my household router. No PPPoE was involved.
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Many of the cheapest adsl modems are usb modems. Ie, they have no ethernet
port on the card, just an output to the phoneline and a usb attachment to
the computer. They are much more finniky and may well require a pppoe on
the computer itself. If possible one should always buy an ethernet enabled
modem. Far far less problems. Most of the modems act as routers as well,
and will handle the negotiation with the far end ( pppoe, pppoatm,
bridged,...) .
| Quote: | USB? Where did USB enter this? I've used USB/ethernet adapters with good
success, but haven't seen any USB/ADSL adapters, and suggest that that is
orthogonal to the question of using PPPoE.
There are companies that use PPPoE for their ADSL connections, and probably
for cable modems as well, but it's not technologically necessary in most
setups. It may be desirable: it's a serious pain in the ass to set up
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pppoe was an abortion foisted on the world by a commercial company who
decided to write its own rules without looking at was already standardised
(eg pppoatm), as I understand it. And ISPs accepted the bill of goods.
| Quote: | webservers or FTP servers that run behind PPPoE links, and it's a reasonable
way to help prevent your users from running such services.
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No, it is irrelevant. You can just as easily go over a ppp link as over any
other. The primary question is whether the IP number is assigned from the
private pool or is a public IP, again as I understand it. |
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Michael Heiming
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject:
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In comp.os.linux.setup Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>:
| Quote: | Michael Heiming wrote:
In comp.os.linux.setup spike1@freenet.co.uk:
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:
onkar wrote:
I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections
have a router in your house that provides your network connection
as a normal uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in
your PC, rather than as part of an external box?
That all depends if th adsl is connected via ethernet or usb.
If it's usb then it'll need PPPoE or PPPoATM.
My adsl is using ethernet, connected to an adsl modem and running
pppoe just fine. Looks like Nico wrongly or not, we don't know
there's just not enough information, presumed anyone including
the OP would use some stinking hardware router?
I've used ADSL and cable modems. In both cases, the company provided an
external box that provided a CAT5, 10baseT, plain old ethernet network
connection for my computer or my household router. No PPPoE was involved.
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Perhaps for you, for me and a couple of million other adsl
customer with my ISP you run pppoe. Plain and simple.
[..]
| Quote: | There are companies that use PPPoE for their ADSL connections, and probably
for cable modems as well, but it's not technologically necessary in most
setups. It may be desirable: it's a serious pain in the ass to set up
webservers or FTP servers that run behind PPPoE links, and it's a reasonable
way to help prevent your users from running such services.
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Completely irrelevant, you can run whatever you like behind your
pppoe link, presuming you got a route-able IP and your ISP isn't
blocking ports. You just dnat them with iptables to the box you
want, no rocket science involved.
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Nico Kadel-Garcia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject:
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Michael Heiming wrote:
| Quote: | In comp.os.linux.setup Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>:
I've used ADSL and cable modems. In both cases, the company provided
an external box that provided a CAT5, 10baseT, plain old ethernet
network connection for my computer or my household router. No PPPoE
was involved.
Perhaps for you, for me and a couple of million other adsl
customer with my ISP you run pppoe. Plain and simple.
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Fair enough. It's kind of startling: I mean, I was using Verizon, then
Comcast, and they're some of the biggest in the business, so I find the
PPPoE and USB parts of this kind of puzzling since they didn't seem to do
that at all.
| Quote: | There are companies that use PPPoE for their ADSL connections, and
probably for cable modems as well, but it's not technologically
necessary in most setups. It may be desirable: it's a serious pain
in the ass to set up webservers or FTP servers that run behind PPPoE
links, and it's a reasonable way to help prevent your users from
running such services.
Completely irrelevant, you can run whatever you like behind your
pppoe link, presuming you got a route-able IP and your ISP isn't
blocking ports. You just dnat them with iptables to the box you
want, no rocket science involved.
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Routable IP. See, that's where playing games like PPPoE lets you inflict all
sorts of filtering on the clients. |
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Unruh
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:42 am Post subject:
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"Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nkadel@comcast.net> writes:
| Quote: | Michael Heiming wrote:
In comp.os.linux.setup Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>:
I've used ADSL and cable modems. In both cases, the company provided
an external box that provided a CAT5, 10baseT, plain old ethernet
network connection for my computer or my household router. No PPPoE
was involved.
Perhaps for you, for me and a couple of million other adsl
customer with my ISP you run pppoe. Plain and simple.
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That is because your ISP is incompetent, and did not understand adsl at
all. They got into the game, and read some advertising blurbs and jumped at
pppoe.
| Quote: | Fair enough. It's kind of startling: I mean, I was using Verizon, then
Comcast, and they're some of the biggest in the business, so I find the
PPPoE and USB parts of this kind of puzzling since they didn't seem to do
that at all.
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usb is simply the kind of modem that is used. Some modems are usb modems,
some are ethernet modems. The latter is far easier to use.
| Quote: | There are companies that use PPPoE for their ADSL connections, and
probably for cable modems as well, but it's not technologically
necessary in most setups. It may be desirable: it's a serious pain
in the ass to set up webservers or FTP servers that run behind PPPoE
links, and it's a reasonable way to help prevent your users from
running such services.
Completely irrelevant, you can run whatever you like behind your
pppoe link, presuming you got a route-able IP and your ISP isn't
blocking ports. You just dnat them with iptables to the box you
want, no rocket science involved.
Routable IP. See, that's where playing games like PPPoE lets you inflict all
sorts of filtering on the clients.
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No, that is the decision to use dhcp and NAT. That can be done no matter
what method you connect them up with. |
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Jean-David Beyer
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Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Michael Heiming wrote:
| Quote: | In comp.os.linux.setup Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>:
Michael Heiming wrote:
In comp.os.linux.setup spike1@freenet.co.uk:
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> did eloquently scribble:
onkar wrote:
I am configuring ADSL connection on FC 2 :
[root@localhost sbin]# /sbin/ifup ppp0
Hold it right here. Why are you using PPP? Most DSL connections
have a router in your house that provides your network connection
as a normal uplink, on eth0. Do you actually have the ADSL card in
your PC, rather than as part of an external box?
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Not necessarily eth0. Mine happens to be on eth2. The box (router in my
case) does not know what ethX I am using, it just wants to talk to the
proper port on 192.168.0.*.
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That all depends if th adsl is connected via ethernet or usb.
If it's usb then it'll need PPPoE or PPPoATM.
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I run Verizon FiOS, not aDSL, but as far as I know, the user sees the same
thing as they do with Verizon DSL, other than being a lot faster
(15Megabit/second download speed). In particular, I believe Verizon uses
pppoe on their aDSL customers as well. I do not know if their aDSL customers
get a router or not.
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My adsl is using ethernet, connected to an adsl modem and running
pppoe just fine. Looks like Nico wrongly or not, we don't know
there's just not enough information, presumed anyone including
the OP would use some stinking hardware router?
I've used ADSL and cable modems. In both cases, the company provided an
external box that provided a CAT5, 10baseT, plain old ethernet network
connection for my computer or my household router. No PPPoE was involved.
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They provide a box on the side of the house that provides 4 voice lines, one
CAT5e connector, and a coax connector for cable tv. The in put is a single
strand of (Corning) glass fibre, single mode.
That CAT5e is 100BaseT, and does talk pppoe (which I find strange), but it
does not matter because they also supply a D-Link DI-624 router (actually a
VDI-624 router, which is the same, but slightly different firmware that
permits Verizon to test the link all the way to the router). That router
receives the pppoe from the box on the side of the house and converts it
straight into plain old ethernet on 4 hard wired sockets and a wireless LAN
(that I turned off because I do not need it). The box is free and my main
computer talks to the router as though it were on my LAN. The router's IP
address on my LAN is 192,168.0.1. I also have 192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.* on
my LAN, but that need not concern us here.
The Verizon-supplied router is "free" so I really do not care what they use
between its WAN connector and the house-side box.
| Quote: |
Perhaps for you, for me and a couple of million other adsl
customer with my ISP you run pppoe. Plain and simple.
[..]
There are companies that use PPPoE for their ADSL connections, and probably
for cable modems as well, but it's not technologically necessary in most
setups. It may be desirable: it's a serious pain in the ass to set up
webservers or FTP servers that run behind PPPoE links, and it's a reasonable
way to help prevent your users from running such services.
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True. Verizon prohibits my running servers on my connection, but the only
one I have any interest in running is sendmail, and my need to run that has
gone down to the point that I cannot justify getting an IP address from them
and permission to run a server on there ($100/month extra).
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Completely irrelevant, you can run whatever you like behind your
pppoe link, presuming you got a route-able IP and your ISP isn't
blocking ports. You just dnat them with iptables to the box you
want, no rocket science involved.
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Michael Heiming
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| Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:21 am Post subject:
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In comp.os.linux.setup Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca>:
| Quote: | "Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nkadel@comcast.net> writes:
Michael Heiming wrote:
In comp.os.linux.setup Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>:
I've used ADSL and cable modems. In both cases, the company provided
an external box that provided a CAT5, 10baseT, plain old ethernet
network connection for my computer or my household router. No PPPoE
was involved.
Perhaps for you, for me and a couple of million other adsl
customer with my ISP you run pppoe. Plain and simple.
That is because your ISP is incompetent, and did not understand adsl at
all. They got into the game, and read some advertising blurbs and jumped at
pppoe.
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Ah see, this is for sure the reason I had 2-3 outages for 20
minutes up to 2hours in the last 5 years and always get the
bandwidth I pay for if the server on the other hand can deliver
it?
[..]
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iforone
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Unruh wrote:
| Quote: | usb is simply the kind of modem that is used.
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No it's not -- it's very CPU intensive, compared with Ethernet (because
of the USB interface).
| Quote: | Some modems are usb modems,
some are ethernet modems. The latter is far easier to use.
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True dat
Regards
p.s. I absolutely *LOVE* that perfectly defining "Subject" line;
HELP !?!?!?! FIREE??R?R??R? HERE?E?E?E???~?~~?~? NOW!?!?!?!?
(Not to mention the B0Z0 "Multi-posted" here and over at c.o.l.n)
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Michael Heiming
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:23 am Post subject:
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In comp.os.linux.setup iforone <floydstestemail@yahoo.com>:
| Quote: | p.s. I absolutely *LOVE* that perfectly defining "Subject" line;
HELP !?!?!?! FIREE??R?R??R? HERE?E?E?E???~?~~?~? NOW!?!?!?!?
(Not to mention the B0Z0 "Multi-posted" here and over at c.o.l.n)
What a Dump!
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At least he figured out that usenet is a write only medium...;-)
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Michael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94)
mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/'
#bofh excuse 427: network down, IP packets delivered via UPS |
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