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Rick Moen
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Followups set. And, if I may ask, what the hell did this have to do
with Linux setup?
In comp.os.linux.setup gian3000it@yahoo.it wrote:
| Quote: | That was exactly my premise when I posted my inquiry here.
The crux is *which* linux program...
A lot of windows users have had no experience with programs
such as popcorn, so inevitably some of the suggestions that
were given here were not, let's say, on target.
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This is also why it's... suboptimal to say "Is there a Linux program
like $FOO?" A lot of us longtime Linux users, who will in general be
your best helpers, will be relatively unlikely to have any clue what
$FOO is.
For example, I kept seeing people say "Is there any Linux program like
Nero?", and I'd have immediately said "k3b or gcombust" if the querent
had bothered to say "(I refer, in case people aren't familiar with Nero,
to polished graphical tools for mastering, copying, and burning data CDRs.)"
I should hasten to say that you _did_ actually explain roughly what
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gian3000it@yahoo.it
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Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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Johan Lindquist wrote:
| Quote: | So, on the other hand, keeping win98 installed and /rebooting/ just
to run this one program that actually does run well using wine (as I
understand it) is a /necessary/ waste of resources?
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I have plenty of other good reasons for dual booting win98. I
don't know how you came up with the idea that I kept it installed
"just to run this one program?"
| Quote: | I'd like to know how many minutes, hours and days of your life you'd
be wasting by rebooting that old 486 over and over again just to run a
single program, and if it was worth saving 50 megs worth of hd space
that you would have instantly recouped by just scratching win98 (which
I seem to recall was no party running on a 486, btw) from it.
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I think you just come from a different perspective. I certainly don't
want to get into a debate here. That would be a waste of time...
| Quote: | And you were thinking /what/, security wise, when you come to the
conclusion that win98 was all in line with this idea?
If it were me, I'd get an ISP who understands IMAP instead, then you
could use pretty much any email client you wanted without having to
download anything more than headers.
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I have a few IMAP accounts... Both IMAP and pop3 have their pros
and cons. I like the advantages of both. Each has its own optimized
use. For instance, the yahoo account you see in my headers is just
for usenet groups. I think I accessed it last about 1 1/2 years ago...
Perfect use for a yahoo account... I need one to post here, but I
don't care for replies other than the ones posted on the ngs. Just an
example.
| Quote: | Still not getting how rebooting to use win98 is less waste of your
time, or how keeping it installed is less waste of resources.
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Well, that's the way you feel.
| Quote: | I, for one, am still pretty confused, but to each his or her own.
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gian3000it@yahoo.it
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Re: popcorn-like email client for Linux?
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Chris wrote:
| Quote: | gian3000it@yahoo.it wrote:
Eh!? You complain about loading 50megs worth of software to run popcorn
under linux, but yet you're happy to keep several hundreds of MB (eg
Win98) on your HD to use popcorn. Plus you have the inconvenience of
having to reboot just to check you email. That sounds daft to me.
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Popcorn is not the only reason why I still boot win98... |
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gian3000it@yahoo.it
*nix forums beginner
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Dave Gibson wrote:
Now we are talking! Thanks, Dave. I just downloaded
poppy and tried it out, and you were right on target,
that's exactly the kind of program I was looking for.
It's actually a set of three perl scripts and allows for
multiple pop/smtp servers, view mail on servers,
explore size, sender, etc. and delete what you don't
like and keep the rest for later download with your
favorite email client (or you can download it with
poppy). The two files I used to do what I needed
(just copy them and paste them to your home
directory - that's all is there with poppy!)
are 29KB and 27KB for a total of 56KB! Compare
that to 50MB (if I were to use popcorn with wine)!
So as of now, I'll use poppy, which is very flexible
and highly configurable), to do in linux what I used to
do with popcorn in MS windows.
Only two drawbacks here: 1) poppy is a console
thing, so no GUI interface; and 2) it does not allow
for secure connections (SSL, CRAM-MD5 auth, etc.)
So the search for a suitable GUI linux popcorn-like
substitute is still on. If you know of any, please post
it here.
I am attaching an excerpt from the poppy manual,
which nicely describes the features needed in a
popcorn-like linux client (aside from GUI and secure
connection):
Poppy retrieves mail headers one by one from a mail server
using the POP3 or IMAP mail transfer protocol and then
allows you to perform simple tasks on those messages.
It will individually read the header to each mail mes-
sage on the POP3/IMAP server and then allow you to view,
save, delete or reply to these messages.
Most POP3 mail readers simply download and delete
all emails from the mail server or download them and
don't delete them at all.
There is usually no way to tell the mail server afterwards
to delete only specific emails. Poppy allows you to go in
and delete emails specifically. This way one could read
all their email from one location, say work, and then
delete all but the important message so that they can
later download them all, say from home. This is espe
cially nice since you are able to make the best use out of
your high speed internet connections to improve the time
spent on your low speed connection.
Most other POP3 mail readers download all your mail first
and then let you
view each one. If you get large emails it can take a long
download period before you can read your mail. Also, on
unreliable connections, it is sometimes impossible to
download your email when someone sends you a large email
if the long download aborts. Using Poppy you can read
just the headers to see which are important and then read
the interesting ones and possible delete any exsessively
large ones. You can then later use your main mail program
to download the bulk of email during idle computer use.
And lastly, you can create simple replies to the original
author of the email if you have defined an SMTP host to be
used to relay the message. Poppy can even use a different
From address for each mail account you have. |
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gian3000it@yahoo.it
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 25
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Re: popcorn-like email client for Linux?
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3c273 wrote:
| Quote: | Oh, I guess I was just feeling a little cranky. It just doesn't seem right
to dual boot back into Windows because you want to save 50MB on your hard
drive. I thought about writing a little POP3 client in Python that fit the
OPs requirements, but then there's the issue of an 80MB Python install  )
Louis
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You are totally right that it doesn't seem right to keep a windows
install just to boot a 125KB excutable. In one of my previous
posts, I wasn't exactly specific about my usage of win98. I
certainly did not expect that omitting my actual usage would
have produced all this. I have several uses for win98, besides
running popcorn on it, which is likely to happen 2-3 times per
month, for accounts I rarely use... I use linux as my daily
OS. But I also have win3.11 and dos 6.0 installed. On another pc,
an install of bsd too. |
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Johan Lindquist
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 173
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject:
Re: popcorn-like email client for Linux?
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["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
So anyway, it was like, 23:37 CEST Jul 07 2006, you know? Oh, and, yeah,
gian3000it@yahoo.it was all like, "Dude,
| Quote: | 3c273 wrote:
Disk space is somewhere around $.50/GB(US). What exactly are you
saving that precious nickel's worth of disk space for anyway? Louis
Well, since you asked...
For one, there is the pleasure of running a system that is optimized
around the applications you use, and without any unnecessary waste
in resources,
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So, on the other hand, keeping win98 installed and /rebooting/ just
to run this one program that actually does run well using wine (as I
understand it) is a /necessary/ waste of resources?
| Quote: | to make it efficient, fast, and also capable of running on old
equipment you own, which would otherwise be useless... It's a beauty
to behold, being able to run a compact system with the latest open
source software, flawlessly and efficiently, on, say, your old
486DX66 machine. I don't know if you can understand that.
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I'd like to know how many minutes, hours and days of your life you'd
be wasting by rebooting that old 486 over and over again just to run a
single program, and if it was worth saving 50 megs worth of hd space
that you would have instantly recouped by just scratching win98 (which
I seem to recall was no party running on a 486, btw) from it.
| Quote: | Second and most important, I happen to be one who runs his main
linux install on an unionfs file system (I like the security
benefits of it foremost).
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And you were thinking /what/, security wise, when you come to the
conclusion that win98 was all in line with this idea?
| Quote: | Such a system is completely loaded in and run from RAM memory. Being
that the case, any MB I can spare adds to the system in terms of
speed and efficiency.
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If it were me, I'd get an ISP who understands IMAP instead, then you
could use pretty much any email client you wanted without having to
download anything more than headers.
| Quote: | And lastly, it's just the concept of it. It is absurd to me that
I should waste 50MB of disk space in order to accomplish a task
that ordinarily necessitates a 125KB application. I find that
unconceivable. Just my personal preference.
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Still not getting how rebooting to use win98 is less waste of your
time, or how keeping it installed is less waste of resources.
| Quote: | I hope that answers your question.
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I, for one, am still pretty confused, but to each his or her own.
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never-aways
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 594
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Re: popcorn-like email client for Linux?
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"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:e8mk58$i50$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
| Quote: | The issue seems to be the original poster likes a given program. The
exact size doesn't seem to be as important as that it's not too big.
And then, he seems to be stuck on finding a Linux program that
fits whatever he specifically likes about that Windows program.
Obviously, if the program is so unique, then running Wine to run
the program makes sense. But given that it's not likely to be
truly unique, there must be linux programs that do the same
basic thing, taking up more space but not as much as Wine.
Oh, I guess I was just feeling a little cranky. It just doesn't seem right |
to dual boot back into Windows because you want to save 50MB on your hard
drive. I thought about writing a little POP3 client in Python that fit the
OPs requirements, but then there's the issue of an 80MB Python install )
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gian3000it@yahoo.it
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
Posts: 25
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Re: popcorn-like email client for Linux?
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Michael Black wrote:
| Quote: | Obviously, if the program is so unique, then running Wine to run
the program makes sense. But given that it's not likely to be
truly unique, there must be linux programs that do the same
basic thing, taking up more space but not as much as Wine.
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That was exactly my premise when I posted my inquiry here.
The crux is *which* linux program...
A lot of windows users have had no experience with programs
such as popcorn, so inevitably some of the suggestions that
were given here were not, let's say, on target. |
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gian3000it@yahoo.it
*nix forums beginner
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Re: popcorn-like email client for Linux?
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3c273 wrote:
| Quote: | Disk space is somewhere around $.50/GB(US). What exactly are you saving that
precious nickel's worth of disk space for anyway?
Louis
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Well, since you asked...
For one, there is the pleasure of running a system that is optimized
around the applications you use, and without any unnecessary waste
in resources, to make it efficient, fast, and also capable of running
on old equipment you own, which would otherwise be useless...
It's a beauty to behold, being able to run a compact system with
the latest open source software, flawlessly and efficiently, on,
say, your old 486DX66 machine. I don't know if you can understand
that.
Second and most important, I happen to be one who runs his main
linux install on an unionfs file system (I like the security benefits
of it foremost).
Such a system is completely loaded in and run from RAM memory.
Being that the case, any MB I can spare adds to the system in
terms of speed and efficiency.
And lastly, it's just the concept of it. It is absurd to me that I
should waste 50MB of disk space in order to accomplish a
task that ordinarily necessitates a 125KB application. I find
that unconceivable. Just my personal preference.
I hope that answers your question. |
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Michael Black
*nix forums addict
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 94
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject:
Re: popcorn-like email client for Linux?
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"3c273" (nospam@nospam.com) writes:
| Quote: | Disk space is somewhere around $.50/GB(US). What exactly are you saving that
precious nickel's worth of disk space for anyway?
Louis
The issue seems to be the original poster likes a given program. The |
exact size doesn't seem to be as important as that it's not too big.
And then, he seems to be stuck on finding a Linux program that
fits whatever he specifically likes about that Windows program.
Obviously, if the program is so unique, then running Wine to run
the program makes sense. But given that it's not likely to be
truly unique, there must be linux programs that do the same
basic thing, taking up more space but not as much as Wine.
Michael
| Quote: | gian3000it@yahoo.it> wrote in message
news:1152236384.643855.152460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
3c273 wrote:
I'm not sure about the space, the download is less than 10 MB. As for
resources, it doesn't waste any resources because if I want to run
Windows
programs under Linux, then that's what I need to do it  It runs fine
on
a P3 500/384.
Louis
I have a spare machine (P3 800/256) that I use to play around with
stuff... So I downloaded the latest wine (ver. 0.9.16) and, yes, it
was about 10MB. When installed, it amounts to 49MB of used-up
disk space! By the way, I tried it out with the latest released
popcorn (ver. 1.74 - the last before, unfortunately, development
on it was discontinued in 2005) and popcorn works just great
with wine!!!
However, what needs to be said is that popcorn is a an amazingly
small program considered all that it does - about 125KB in size -
and it absolutely makes no sense to me to install wine at almost
50MB just to support an 125KB executable... That, in fact, would
be the only use I'd have for it, since I do not need any other
programs that are windoze based. So, wine goes out and I'll keep
using windows (dual-booting win98 on my PC) to use popcorn to
take care of the bulk of my less frequently used email accounts.
I find it amazing, though, that no one has come up with such an
application for linux, as this little program (popcorn) is absolutely
useful, and wonderful, for those with pop mail accounts. If I were
a programmer, that would be my next project.
Should anyone know of such a program for linux, please post it
here or, should too long a time have elapsed making it impossible
to reply to this thread, please start a new one under the same
topic and post it. I'll be on the lookout for it...
Thanks,
Gianni
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Dave Gibson
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[Followup-To set to colm]
gian3000it@yahoo.it <gian3000it@yahoo.it> wrote:
[interactive program to delete mail on the server]
| Quote: | Should anyone know of such a program for linux, please post it
here or, should too long a time have elapsed making it impossible
to reply to this thread, please start a new one under the same
topic and post it. I'll be on the lookout for it...
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http://freshmeat.net/projects/poppy/ |
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never-aways
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Disk space is somewhere around $.50/GB(US). What exactly are you saving that
precious nickel's worth of disk space for anyway?
Louis
<gian3000it@yahoo.it> wrote in message
news:1152236384.643855.152460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | 3c273 wrote:
I'm not sure about the space, the download is less than 10 MB. As for
resources, it doesn't waste any resources because if I want to run
Windows
programs under Linux, then that's what I need to do it It runs fine
on
a P3 500/384.
Louis
I have a spare machine (P3 800/256) that I use to play around with
stuff... So I downloaded the latest wine (ver. 0.9.16) and, yes, it
was about 10MB. When installed, it amounts to 49MB of used-up
disk space! By the way, I tried it out with the latest released
popcorn (ver. 1.74 - the last before, unfortunately, development
on it was discontinued in 2005) and popcorn works just great
with wine!!!
However, what needs to be said is that popcorn is a an amazingly
small program considered all that it does - about 125KB in size -
and it absolutely makes no sense to me to install wine at almost
50MB just to support an 125KB executable... That, in fact, would
be the only use I'd have for it, since I do not need any other
programs that are windoze based. So, wine goes out and I'll keep
using windows (dual-booting win98 on my PC) to use popcorn to
take care of the bulk of my less frequently used email accounts.
I find it amazing, though, that no one has come up with such an
application for linux, as this little program (popcorn) is absolutely
useful, and wonderful, for those with pop mail accounts. If I were
a programmer, that would be my next project.
Should anyone know of such a program for linux, please post it
here or, should too long a time have elapsed making it impossible
to reply to this thread, please start a new one under the same
topic and post it. I'll be on the lookout for it...
Thanks,
Gianni
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gian3000it@yahoo.it
*nix forums beginner
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rich wrote:
| Quote: | a search through the package manager came up with Korn.
Sits in the tray, displays the number of emails on the server, displays the
headers and on the quick test I have just given it deletes whatever you
want.
So, if you are using a Debian linux +kde Korn is worth a look
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I'm using slackware... I've looked at the korn documentation both
at kde.org and elsewhere and korn is described as an email checker
and nowhere does it say that it can delete mail from the server
before downloading the messages (except, perhaps, by setting up
filters?)
Unfortunately, it's not available singly but only as part of the kdepim
package (12+MB just for the sources...)
Could you describe how you were able to delete unwanted messages
from the server with korn? Does it list messages that are on the
server,
message sizes, subjects, whom from, etc. and then allow you to select
which ones to delete after looking at them (or is this done through
filters you can set up)?
Thanks,
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rich
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject:
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Rich_on 5-Jul-2006, "Mark Marsh" <unknown@unknown.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Is there a program that allows you to view whatever messages are
stored on your pop3 server and make it possible for you to delete
them on the server *before* downloading them to your PC, if you
choose so, that also does SSL and possibly smtp?
Popcorn does all that splendidly under MS Windows. So far, the
only client for Linux that I have come across that comes close is
KShowmail, however, it does not support SSL or other types of
secured connections, and does not do smtp, is much larger in
size than popcorn and with many less features...
Popcorn should work quite well with Wine (haven't tested it though)
POPTray will also work with Wine.
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Interested in this so I tried Popcorn, launched with wine (Mepis 6
installation)
and it works ok but a search through the package manager came up with Korn.
Sits in the tray, displays the number of emails on the server, displays the
headers and on the quick test I have just given it deletes whatever you
want.
So, if you are using a Debian linux +kde Korn is worth a look
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/korn
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Chris Cole
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 11 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:12 am Post subject:
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gian3000it@yahoo.it wrote:
[ follow-up set to colm as can't access alt.* ]
| Quote: | 3c273 wrote:
I'm not sure about the space, the download is less than 10 MB. As for
resources, it doesn't waste any resources because if I want to run
Windows
programs under Linux, then that's what I need to do it It runs
fine on a P3 500/384.
Louis
I have a spare machine (P3 800/256) that I use to play around with
stuff... So I downloaded the latest wine (ver. 0.9.16) and, yes, it
was about 10MB. When installed, it amounts to 49MB of used-up
disk space! By the way, I tried it out with the latest released
popcorn (ver. 1.74 - the last before, unfortunately, development
on it was discontinued in 2005) and popcorn works just great
with wine!!!
However, what needs to be said is that popcorn is a an amazingly
small program considered all that it does - about 125KB in size -
and it absolutely makes no sense to me to install wine at almost
50MB just to support an 125KB executable... That, in fact, would
be the only use I'd have for it, since I do not need any other
programs that are windoze based. So, wine goes out and I'll keep
using windows (dual-booting win98 on my PC) to use popcorn to
take care of the bulk of my less frequently used email accounts.
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Eh!? You complain about loading 50megs worth of software to run popcorn
under linux, but yet you're happy to keep several hundreds of MB (eg
Win98) on your HD to use popcorn. Plus you have the inconvenience of
having to reboot just to check you email. That sounds daft to me. |
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