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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
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 Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:03 am Post subject:
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Keith Keller wrote:
| Quote: | On 2006-05-17, prodigal1 <prodig@l1.com> wrote:
No, no, I think we need to revisit the need for more than 64mb of ram in
order to run X.
Pish posh! 640K ought to be enough for anybody!
--keith, who suspects that matt's brain is running on 640K
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Ahh, more personal insults rather than address the issue. This is why I
don't care what you trolls think of me. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:02 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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Trygve Selmer wrote:
| Quote: | matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
base60 wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
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Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements.
Obviously, you're unfamiliar with matt aka binky-boy :-)
FWIW, you're arguing with someone whom is considered by many to be
more than slightly barmy.
If you're doing it for entertainment value, enjoy.
Otherwise, you're wasting your time because he does so enjoy his
insane little rants.
I understand this now. Case closed.
This from a guy that does not even know what a server is. Yet again
another person that does not know what he is talking about is acting as
if I am the ass.
Oh dear, do you understand the difference of a proxy server and a real
server ?
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Oh, dear where did I ever say "REAL" (what ever that is supposed to mean)? A
proxy server is STILL A SERVER, that is what the second word of "proxy
server" is /*_SERVER_*/ regardless if you what to call it "real" (what ever
that means) or not. It IS A SERVER. Even the leafnode page calls it
a /*_SERVER_*/. What more do you need?
| Quote: | If I had stated the above, I would be called a lier. Why can
you not behave as a normal person ?
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What is "normal"? Is running around trying to say what server is "real" and
what server is not NORMAL? Not in MY book.
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A discussion is a two-way exchange of information, but you obviously
are walking a one-way street. Sorry you have to walk alone.
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Yes, I am. I have read what YOU have to say and tried to address the points
you made, but you refuse to accept the DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE that shows that
leafnode IS A SERVER:
http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/
Right up across the top of the page in big bold letters that even you can
not miss: "Leafnode - NNTP Server For Small Sites".
Now why can't you be like a mature person, accept the documented evidence
and admit you are wrong? |
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Keith Keller
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Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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On 2006-05-17, prodigal1 <prodig@l1.com> wrote:
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No, no, I think we need to revisit the need for more than 64mb of ram in
order to run X.
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Pish posh! 640K ought to be enough for anybody!
--keith, who suspects that matt's brain is running on 640K
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Trygve Selmer
*nix forums addict
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 93
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Trygve Selmer wrote:
base60 wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
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Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements.
Obviously, you're unfamiliar with matt aka binky-boy :-)
FWIW, you're arguing with someone whom is considered by many to be
more than slightly barmy.
If you're doing it for entertainment value, enjoy.
Otherwise, you're wasting your time because he does so enjoy his
insane little rants.
I understand this now. Case closed.
This from a guy that does not even know what a server is. Yet again another
person that does not know what he is talking about is acting as if I am the
ass.
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Oh dear, do you understand the difference of a proxy server and a real
server ? If I had stated the above, I would be called a lier. Why can
you not behave as a normal person ?
A discussion is a two-way exchange of information, but you obviously
are walking a one-way street. Sorry you have to walk alone. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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Trygve Selmer wrote:
| Quote: | base60 wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
[...]
Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements.
Obviously, you're unfamiliar with matt aka binky-boy :-)
FWIW, you're arguing with someone whom is considered by many to be
more than slightly barmy.
If you're doing it for entertainment value, enjoy.
Otherwise, you're wasting your time because he does so enjoy his
insane little rants.
I understand this now. Case closed.
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This from a guy that does not even know what a server is. Yet again another
person that does not know what he is talking about is acting as if I am the
ass. |
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prodigal1
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 169
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:35 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 10:40:18 +0200, Trygve Selmer wrote:
| Quote: | base60 wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
[...]
Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements.
Obviously, you're unfamiliar with matt aka binky-boy :-)
FWIW, you're arguing with someone whom is considered by many to be more
than slightly barmy.
If you're doing it for entertainment value, enjoy.
Otherwise, you're wasting your time because he does so enjoy his insane
little rants.
I understand this now. Case closed.
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No, no, I think we need to revisit the need for more than 64mb of ram in
order to run X. |
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Trygve Selmer
*nix forums addict
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 93
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 8:40 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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base60 wrote:
| Quote: | Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
[...]
Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements.
Obviously, you're unfamiliar with matt aka binky-boy :-)
FWIW, you're arguing with someone whom is considered by many to be
more than slightly barmy.
If you're doing it for entertainment value, enjoy.
Otherwise, you're wasting your time because he does so enjoy his
insane little rants.
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I understand this now. Case closed. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 2:42 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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base60 wrote:
| Quote: | Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
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Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements.
Obviously, you're unfamiliar with matt aka binky-boy :-)
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Of course he is. I will point out where people are wrong no matter how
unpopular or how many people try to discredit me, as a person, rather than
debate what I have to say.
| Quote: | FWIW, you're arguing with someone whom is considered by many to be
more than slightly barmy.
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Ahhh, try to discredit the person rather than what is said.
| Quote: | If you're doing it for entertainment value, enjoy.
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You mean he is acting as if he does not know what a server is?
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Otherwise, you're wasting your time because he does so enjoy his
insane little rants.
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So, I make the case that leafnode is a server and it is an insane rant? Get
real. |
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base60
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 07 Sep 2005
Posts: 322
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 2:28 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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Trygve Selmer wrote:
| Quote: | matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
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Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements.
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Obviously, you're unfamiliar with matt aka binky-boy :-)
FWIW, you're arguing with someone whom is considered by many to be
more than slightly barmy.
If you're doing it for entertainment value, enjoy.
Otherwise, you're wasting your time because he does so enjoy his
insane little rants. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 1:11 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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Trygve Selmer wrote:
| Quote: | matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
It's all about FREEDOM. Should I be free to configure my system the way
that *I* want, or should I give into usenet net nannies that want to
take that freedome away?
Of course you should. The problem is, it's not about your personal
server, but how any official servers should be configured!
My point is, people do not always HAVE access to "official servers". As
you pointed out leafnode is "it is primarily for off-line reading in a
home and/or small office environment". The people in that "small office
environment" that post thought leafnode are NOT posting to "official
servers". They are posting to a small office server (and yes it IS a
server, just not an "official server") that can be used to limit access
to the groups only the manager of the office wants them to have.
Please,
Matt. Stop this nonsense and accept that your news-server (leafnode?)
is private, not an official one.
That is my point, not everyone posts to "official" servers. Many people
in offices and homes post though PRIVATE servers that LIMIT access to the
groups the company allows! Why is that such a difficult concept for you
to grasp?
Oh, I do grasp the concept, do you? You are indeed posting through an
"official" server (news.rcn.net)
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No, that is NOT the server I post to. I post to a LEAFNODE server on my
private network. So do 3 other people. The other 3 have NO DIRECT ACCESS TO
rcn.com. The do not post to rcn.com. Guess you are a little light on the
concept.
| Quote: | from your machine belonging to
*.cable.rcn.com. So please, how you configure your client (and
leafnode *is* a client when posting articles)
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Wrong, AGAIN. According to leafnode http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/ , right
up across the top of the page: "Leafnode - NNTP Server For Small Sites" If
you have a problem with leafnode being called a "server" take it up with
leafnode. Until you can convince the people at leafnode that leafnode is
not a server, I see no reason to believe YOU over them. Specially when it
is used AS A SERVER, and as a client, in my environment.
| Quote: | is your business, but do
not use that as a description of how a "real" news-server should be
configured.
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I am NOT saying how what you call a "real" news-server should be configured.
I am saying how a PROXY server (and according to leafnode, leafnode IS A
PROXY SERVER "Leafnode is a software package that implements a store &
forward NNTP proxy (client and server)...") Can be configured to limit
access of groups to employees or children. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 1:04 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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Trygve Selmer wrote:
| Quote: | matt_left_coast wrote:
Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post
from has no test groups.
Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for
weeks now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and
now here.
You seem to have a problem with someone telling the truth. The fact of
the matter is, I am correct. My leafnode is configured in a valid way
that makes sense for me and my family. This is the type of FREEDOME that
I want and need by using OSS. Also, My leafnode is NOT the only system
that does not carry test groups. The fact that you and others seem to
want to take away the FREEDOME for families and businesses to run
configurations that best suite the needs of the family and business
makes me wonder about your commitment to the freedom of OSS.
I'm sorry Matt, but you are *not* correct. Leafnode is *not* a proper
news-server, it is primarily for off-line reading in a home and/or
small office environment (see http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/). When
you install "inn", a proper news-server, come back and talk to us.
Dude, even INN allows for people to server ONLY the groups they want. If
you also notice, I never claimed leafnode to be a "proper news-server". I
would appreciate you not make up things in your attempt to bash me.
First, it's proper to configure INN with some test-groups.
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SAYS WHO??????????? Is it a RFC STANDARD?????
| Quote: | Second, I'm
not trying to bash you. My opinion should be as valid as yours. This
is a discussion (ie two-way communication exchange of opinions), is it
not ?
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No you are saying that I my opinion is not valid unless I have a "a proper
news-server" installed.
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My main points remain the same. Claiming that a test post fails because
it does not go to a test group is a lie.
Well, many people feel this way.
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That does not make it a FACT.
| Quote: | If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers.
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They did it when they claimed that a test post going to a non-test group was
a failure. It is not.
| Quote: | Please be more polite in your statements.
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Me? I'm not the one running around telling people not to post here unless
they have what YOU call "a proper news-server" installed. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:58 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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Moe Trin wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 16 May 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in
article <hlapj3-bpp.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>, matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
Matt, no one gives a fsck how your leafnode client is configured. It is
a client - it is not, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise,
a Usenet server.
I never claimed it WAS.
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Message-Id: <3eiej3-9hu.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org
From: matt_left_coast <not@chance.mjt
Subject: Re: test post
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.security
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:24:33 -0700
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
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But where did I say "Usenet serve"????? I said "server".
Ok, If you want to get all hard about leafnode being a "server" vs. what YOU
claimed "a client - it is not, no matter how much you want to pretend
otherwise, a Usenet server." Tell it to leafnode. Let's see what leafnode
has to say, http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/ In bold letters right across
the TOP:
Leafnode - NNTP Server For Small Sites
Is it a usenet backbone server? NO. is it both a CLIENT AND A SERVER? YES.
According to leafnode:
"Leafnode is a software package that implements a store & forward NNTP proxy
(client and server)..."
If you want to debate if leafnode is a server, take it to leafnode. I
personally no longer care about your twisted version of what server means.
Leafnode is clearly used as a server in many environments.
Now the truth is, businesses and families use leafnode _servers_ (not
claiming it to be "USENET SERVER" for the brain dead in the cols) and other
NNTP servers to act as a proxy to limit what groups their employees and
children have access to.
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Trygve Selmer
*nix forums addict
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 93
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:44 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
Moe Trin wrote:
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post
from has no test groups.
Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for
weeks now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and now
here.
You seem to have a problem with someone telling the truth. The fact of
the matter is, I am correct. My leafnode is configured in a valid way
that makes sense for me and my family. This is the type of FREEDOME that
I want and need by using OSS. Also, My leafnode is NOT the only system
that does not carry test groups. The fact that you and others seem to
want to take away the FREEDOME for families and businesses to run
configurations that best suite the needs of the family and business makes
me wonder about your commitment to the freedom of OSS.
I'm sorry Matt, but you are *not* correct. Leafnode is *not* a proper
news-server, it is primarily for off-line reading in a home and/or
small office environment (see http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/). When
you install "inn", a proper news-server, come back and talk to us.
Dude, even INN allows for people to server ONLY the groups they want. If you
also notice, I never claimed leafnode to be a "proper news-server". I would
appreciate you not make up things in your attempt to bash me.
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First, it's proper to configure INN with some test-groups. Second, I'm
not trying to bash you. My opinion should be as valid as yours. This
is a discussion (ie two-way communication exchange of opinions), is it
not ?
| Quote: | My main points remain the same. Claiming that a test post fails because it
does not go to a test group is a lie.
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Well, many people feel this way. If you don't does not automatically
make these people liers. Please be more polite in your statements. |
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Moe Trin
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 972
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:44 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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On Tue, 16 May 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in article
<hlapj3-bpp.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>, matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Moe Trin wrote:
Matt, no one gives a fsck how your leafnode client is configured. It is
a client - it is not, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise,
a Usenet server.
I never claimed it WAS.
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Message-Id: <3eiej3-9hu.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>
From: matt_left_coast <not@chance.mjt>
Subject: Re: test post
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.security
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:24:33 -0700
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
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Message-Id: <4055791.Crbad8chOy@rcn.com>
From: matt_left_coast <not@chance.org>
Subject: Re: New Users - FAQ for alt.os.linux.mandrake/mandriva
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:28:15 -0700
The server I am posting to right now does not. Many companies that want to
grant access to news groups FOR COMPANY BUSINESS ONLY will set up something
like a leafnode server with only company approved groups only.
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Message-Id: <10448245.UX3NmCuD5N@rcn.com>
From: matt_left_coast <not@chance.org>
Subject: Re: New Users - FAQ for alt.os.linux.mandrake/mandriva
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:36:57 -0700
I post though a LOCAL leafnode server, RCN does not and can not distingusish
between a leafnode server that serves the 3 people using this particular
server and a single desktop.
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That's just the ones that are handy. Or do you forget that a real news
server has retention of several weeks or (a lot) more. Notice the message
IDs which also reflect your belated discovery that even the message ID's
showed that your server wasn't, and you then bought the domain name to make
it appear that your client was really a server. Or are you _now_ going to
say that what you wrote in those threads didn't mean anything?
Don't bother responding - you're just wasting time and bandwidth, mainly your
own. There's obviously no reason to continue this thread - you'll believe what
you want to, and forget about the past. Also, seeing as how you seem to like
using foul words - FOAD! How's that feel, l00ser.
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Trygve Selmer
*nix forums addict
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 93
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:34 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Trygve Selmer wrote:
matt_left_coast wrote:
It's all about FREEDOM. Should I be free to configure my system the way
that *I* want, or should I give into usenet net nannies that want to take
that freedome away?
Of course you should. The problem is, it's not about your personal
server, but how any official servers should be configured!
My point is, people do not always HAVE access to "official servers". As you
pointed out leafnode is "it is primarily for off-line reading in a home
and/or small office environment". The people in that "small office
environment" that post thought leafnode are NOT posting to "official
servers". They are posting to a small office server (and yes it IS a
server, just not an "official server") that can be used to limit access to
the groups only the manager of the office wants them to have.
Please,
Matt. Stop this nonsense and accept that your news-server (leafnode?)
is private, not an official one.
That is my point, not everyone posts to "official" servers. Many people in
offices and homes post though PRIVATE servers that LIMIT access to the
groups the company allows! Why is that such a difficult concept for you to
grasp?
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Oh, I do grasp the concept, do you? You are indeed posting through an
"official" server (news.rcn.net) from your machine belonging to
*.cable.rcn.com. So please, how you configure your client (and
leafnode *is* a client when posting articles) is your business, but do
not use that as a description of how a "real" news-server should be
configured. |
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