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Keith Keller
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
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 Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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On 2006-05-11, Digitalflaunt <digitalflaunt@netscape.net> wrote:
Your test failed: it went to a non-test group. Next time try
alt.test or some other test group.
--keith
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Jon Solberg
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 162
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:26 am Post subject:
Re: test post
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Digitalflaunt said the following on 2006-05-12 00:37:
| Quote: | testing a post
+----[ Standard "Subject: Test" reply #1 ] |
| The test failed,
| Over 400 test newsgroups ending in .test and your post showed up here.
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| Please use alt.test or misc.test .
| For binary test use alt.binaries.test
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| Please, before you post again, read
| http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
| http://www.geocities.com/nnqweb/
| http://tgos.org/newbie/index2.html
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| _Welcome to the group._
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Jon Solberg (remove "nospam" from email address). |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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Keith Keller wrote:
| Quote: | On 2006-05-11, Digitalflaunt <digitalflaunt@netscape.net> wrote:
testing a post
Your test failed: it went to a non-test group. Next time try
alt.test or some other test group.
--keith
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That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups. There is no REQUIREMENT for test groups to be carried
by NNTP servers that are run as "proxy" server for business and families
that want to give limited access to the Internet to employees and children
respectively. There is also no RFC that requires a poster to post test
messages to "test" groups. To claim that a test post "failed" because you
do not like the group it went to or because of some minor infraction of
netiquette is just not right. If you want to get after the person, at least
tell him the ACTUAL mistake he made: He posted a test message to a group
you don't like hem posting test messages to. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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Jon Solberg wrote:
Message ID: <3eiej3-9hu.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org> |
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Moe Trin
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 972
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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On Fri, 12 May 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in article
<3eiej3-9hu.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>, matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Keith Keller wrote:
Next time try alt.test or some other test group.
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
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Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for weeks
now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and now here.
Nobody gives a flying fsck that your leafnode client doesn't carry the test
groups. "news.rcn.net" which is the real server you are posting from DOES
carry the test groups. Just because you don't feel like setting up a proper
news _peer_ (rather than the _client_ you actually are using) doesn't mean
the whole world doesn't have access to test groups. If you don't know how
to set up a news server to support a test group, or configure leafnode to
carry a test group with a zero day retention, then maybe you should be
learning that instead of whining.
Also, your inability to set up a test group on leafnode or any other client
is not a security problem that concerns the general Linux community. Go
whine over in the news.admin.hierarchies, or news.admin.misc which would be
slightly less _inappropriate_ or in news.software.misc (assuming you can
figure out how to subscribe to those groups).
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Jon Solberg
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 162
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| Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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Moe Trin said the following on 2006-05-13 18:47:
| Quote: | On Fri, 12 May 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in article
3eiej3-9hu.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>, matt_left_coast wrote:
Keith Keller wrote:
Next time try alt.test or some other test group.
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for weeks
now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and now here.
Nobody gives a flying fsck that your leafnode client doesn't carry the test
groups. [..]
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Hear, hear.
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Jon Solberg (remove "nospam" from email address). |
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Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 08 Mar 2005
Posts: 140
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast <not@chance.mjt> wrote:
| Quote: | That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
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The term for that would be "broken". Test groups are venerable and
well-established. Ignoring common practice because you can't or won't
or are too lazy or cheap or stupid to get a decent newsfeed does not
make you correct. It makes you a jackass.
| Quote: | There is also no RFC that requires a poster to post test
messages to "test" groups.
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There's no rulebook for a lot of things in life. Again, ignoring
netiquette and then yelling about how there's no law about it does not
make you look any more correct.
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Oh to have a lodge in some vast wilderness. Where rumors of oppression
and deceit, of unsuccessful and successful wars may never reach me
anymore.
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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Moe Trin wrote:
| Quote: | That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for
weeks now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and now
here.
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You seem to have a problem with someone telling the truth. The fact of the
matter is, I am correct. My leafnode is configured in a valid way that makes
sense for me and my family. This is the type of FREEDOME that I want and
need by using OSS. Also, My leafnode is NOT the only system that does not
carry test groups. The fact that you and others seem to want to take away
the FREEDOME for families and businesses to run configurations that best
suite the needs of the family and business makes me wonder about your
commitment to the freedom of OSS. |
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner wrote:
| Quote: | matt_left_coast <not@chance.mjt> wrote:
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
The term for that would be "broken".
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How so, TECHNICALLY? What is "broken"?
| Quote: | Test groups are venerable and
well-established.
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So? I am supposed to give up my freedome for what you consider "venerable
and well-established."?
| Quote: | Ignoring common practice because you can't or won't
or are too lazy or cheap or stupid to get a decent newsfeed does not
make you correct.
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Nor does name calling make you correct. If you can give a legitimate
technical reason (and "Test groups are venerable and well-established" is
not a legitimate technical reason) that my system is broken, then do so.
| Quote: | It makes you a jackass.
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Oh, I see, you want to try to intimidate me, by into giving up the freedom
I have of configuring my system the way that best meets my needs, the needs
of my family and the needs of my business without giving any real technical
reason.
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There is also no RFC that requires a poster to post test
messages to "test" groups.
There's no rulebook for a lot of things in life.
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That is correct, so why are you so emphatic about telling me how to run MINE
and the systems *I* have? I have the FREEDOM to run my systems the way I
see fit within the standards spelled out in the RFCs. IF TEST MESSAGES FROM
MY SYSTEM BECOME A PROBLEM (as off yet, I can not see where anyone is
bitching about test messsages coming from my system) I will take measures
to deal with the situation. Till then, you can just buzz off. I will enjoy
the FREEDOM OSS gives me and RUN MY SYSTEM THE WAY I SEE FIT.
| Quote: | Again, ignoring
netiquette and then yelling
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If people would learn to LISTEN the fist go round, I would not need to yell.
| Quote: | about how there's no law about it does not
make you look any more correct.
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And what makes YOU correct? A thing called "netiquette"? If you take a look
at the document I responded to, you would find that it is a lecture on
"netiquette" that is deceptively labled as a FAQ. How is deceptively
labeling a post good "netiquette"? But the fact of the matter is,
netiquette DOES NOT DETERMIN HOW I CONFIGURE MY SERVER ONLY POSTING 'TEST'
MESSAGES. If you can point out how my system had been sending out a
disturbing number of "test" posts to non-test groups, then, please do so.
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matt_left_coast
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 05 May 2006
Posts: 39
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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Jon Solberg wrote:
| Quote: | Moe Trin said the following on 2006-05-13 18:47:
On Fri, 12 May 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in
article <3eiej3-9hu.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>, matt_left_coast wrote:
Keith Keller wrote:
Next time try alt.test or some other test group.
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post
from has no test groups.
Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for
weeks now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and now
here.
Nobody gives a flying fsck that your leafnode client doesn't carry the
test groups. [..]
Hear, hear.
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There, there.
Message ID: <h2kmj3-lc7.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>
It's all about FREEDOM. Should I be free to configure my system the way that
*I* want, or should I give into usenet net nannies that want to take that
freedome away? |
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Flash Gordon
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Posts: 1258
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner wrote:
matt_left_coast <not@chance.mjt> wrote:
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
The term for that would be "broken".
How so, TECHNICALLY? What is "broken"?
Test groups are venerable and
well-established.
So? I am supposed to give up my freedome for what you consider "venerable
and well-established."?
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Perhaps everyone should dump their rubbish in front of your house? Not
permitting us to would be contravening our freedom.
<snip>
| Quote: | Ignoring common practice because you can't or won't
Again, ignoring
netiquette and then yelling
If people would learn to LISTEN the fist go round, I would not need to yell.
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Why don't you try listening instead?
| Quote: | about how there's no law about it does not
make you look any more correct.
And what makes YOU correct? A thing called "netiquette"? If you take a look
at the document I responded to, you would find that it is a lecture on
"netiquette" that is deceptively labled as a FAQ. How is deceptively
labeling a post good "netiquette"? But the fact of the matter is,
netiquette DOES NOT DETERMIN HOW I CONFIGURE MY SERVER ONLY POSTING 'TEST'
MESSAGES. If you can point out how my system had been sending out a
disturbing number of "test" posts to non-test groups, then, please do so.
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Try having a read of the actual charter. Here is a link to the result of
the vote to establish this group.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.security.unix/browse_frm/thread/b9532fb55074a501/d93d73025aecd1c2?lnk=st&q=comp.os.linux.security+charter&rnum=7&hl=en#d93d73025aecd1c2
It says what the group is for, and no where in that can I see anything
about posting test messages as part of the definition.
Perhaps everyone should test there mail server by sending you emails?
--
Flash Gordon, living in interesting times.
Web site - http://home.flash-gordon.me.uk/
comp.lang.c posting guidelines and intro:
http://clc-wiki.net/wiki/Intro_to_clc |
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Huge
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Posts: 188
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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On 2006-05-15, matt_left_coast <not@chance.mjt> wrote:
[More stupid selfish whiney crap]
*plonk*
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"Other people are not your property."
[email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk] |
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Rich Piotrowski
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 16
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast wrote:
<snip> ...
| Quote: | It's all about FREEDOM. Should I be free to configure my system the way that
*I* want, or should I give into usenet net nannies that want to take that
freedome away?
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You keep prattling on and on about freedom. How about some mention of
responsibility?
--
"Now are you talking about what it is you know
or just repeating what it was you heard."
Grace Slick
To E-mail use: rpiotro(at)wi(dot)rr(dot)com |
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Trygve Selmer
*nix forums addict
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 93
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Jon Solberg wrote:
Moe Trin said the following on 2006-05-13 18:47:
On Fri, 12 May 2006, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.security, in
article <3eiej3-9hu.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org>, matt_left_coast wrote:
Keith Keller wrote:
Next time try alt.test or some other test group.
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post
from has no test groups.
Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for
weeks now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and now
here.
Nobody gives a flying fsck that your leafnode client doesn't carry the
test groups. [..]
Hear, hear.
There, there.
Message ID: <h2kmj3-lc7.ln1@alta.sierrandays.org
It's all about FREEDOM. Should I be free to configure my system the way that
*I* want, or should I give into usenet net nannies that want to take that
freedome away?
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Of course you should. The problem is, it's not about your personal
server, but how any official servers should be configured! Please,
Matt. Stop this nonsense and accept that your news-server (leafnode?)
is private, not an official one. |
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Trygve Selmer
*nix forums addict
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 93
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject:
Re: test post
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matt_left_coast wrote:
| Quote: | Moe Trin wrote:
That assumes the poster HAS ACCESS to test groups. The server I post from
has no test groups.
Sweat mother of Ghod! Matt, you've been whining about this crap for
weeks now - first in alt.os.linux.mandrake, then in alt.os.linux, and now
here.
You seem to have a problem with someone telling the truth. The fact of the
matter is, I am correct. My leafnode is configured in a valid way that makes
sense for me and my family. This is the type of FREEDOME that I want and
need by using OSS. Also, My leafnode is NOT the only system that does not
carry test groups. The fact that you and others seem to want to take away
the FREEDOME for families and businesses to run configurations that best
suite the needs of the family and business makes me wonder about your
commitment to the freedom of OSS.
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I'm sorry Matt, but you are *not* correct. Leafnode is *not* a proper
news-server, it is primarily for off-line reading in a home and/or
small office environment (see http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/). When
you install "inn", a proper news-server, come back and talk to us. |
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