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Eric P.
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
Posts: 9
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 Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:02 am Post subject:
Re: How does Linux = Mac OS X? Linux GAMING LISTS!!!
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In article <ciB%f.139458$Fw6.28596@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
Whaxiac <whaxiac@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Richard E Maine wrote:
Eric P. <ericp06@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm looking for the best performance I can get from my machine in speed
and stability. Wherever there's a choice, I favor more stability, of
course. I want to make my system the best it can possibly be for
Internet use, graphics and sound editing (later including audio
recording), word processing/spreadsheeting/database work, and gaming. I
don't ask for much, do I? *L*
The question mostly doesn't make sense to me. "Performance" normally
refers to speed. I see that you are asking about both speed and
stability, but still....
1. Stability. Both operating systems are good in terms of stability.
What issues you might have in that area are going to have a lot more to
do with the specific applications than with the operating system.
Stability of the OS just isn't a basis for selecting between those two
options.
2. Speed. Most of the things you listed just aren't speed critical. Word
processing? Internet stuff has speed issues, of course, but they seldom
have much to do with your system. And then...
Games. You are kidding, right? It is a really rare game where there even
exist versions on the multiple operating systems so that you can make a
speed comparison. Some exist. But not many at all. You probably wouldn't
have to use a second hand to count them, much less take off your socks.
Neither Linux nor Mac OS are particularly strong in the game market at
all. Both have some games, but the selection is limited. And the big
question is almost always not whether a particular game will perform
well, but whether it exists at all for those systems.
In short, I don't see that it makes sense for you to be asking about
performance (either speed or stability). Sounds to me like a *FAR* more
significant issue is the question of what applications are available and
whether they suit your needs.
If you really want a gaming machine, then Windows is pretty much where
it is at. (That or a console). Even with all the flaws of Windows, the
big decider turns out to be that, given some random game you might want,
it will usually be available on Windows and not on Linux or OS-X. That's
not true 100% of the time, but it is sure so a lot of the time.
I might suggest an Intel Mac with dual booting. Use OS-X for most
everything except the games - Windows for the games.
Games? 1400 of them run on Linux! And, according to tests at PC Gaming
mag, expect a MINIMUM 8X faster response/processing on GNU/Linux!
http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php?license=free
http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/
http://www.happypenguin.org/
http://lhl.linuxgames.com/
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/savage/news_6072312.html
Lots MORE! But this should hold you for a while! Don't forget, your
Quake Servers run really great, when they are GNU/Linux!!!
http://www.linuxgames.com/ is where you cn check out the QUETOO
project! Among others!
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This looks like good news to me! The games I like aren't many, but most
make demands of hw and sw...Quake III Arena, Unreal Tournament, Baldur's
Gate, Diablo II, Warcraft III, Civilization...those kinds of games.
Thanks,
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Paul Russell
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 11
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:51 am Post subject:
Re: How does Linux compare to Mac OS X?
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Eric P. wrote:
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OS X is looking like the ideal choice for me at this point, but a part
of me still wants to explore the world of Linux...then there will be the
matter of which distribution will best suit my interests.
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It's fairly straightfoward to make a PowerPC Mac dual boot OS X and
Linux (Yellow Dog, OpenSUSE and probably others). This will probably
also be true for Intel Macs soon, and virtualization probably isn't far
behind.
Paul |
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Anton Ertl
*nix forums addict
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 91
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:06 am Post subject:
Re: How does Linux compare to Mac OS X?
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Ilgaz Ocal <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com > writes:
| Quote: | Only thing would be "it is not
totally opensource/gpl" against it but in case you don't know, the
nvidia and ati drivers on Linux are already closed source binaries.
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I don't know that, and my computers which happily run Linux on ATI
graphics cards (and earlier an Nvidia card), don't know that either.
The drivers I use and used for these cards are free software, and
available in source.
There are proprietary binary-only drivers from ATI and Nvidia for some
platforms, but there free drivers for all of them. And Linux/PPC is a
platform where only the free drivers are available.
Followups set to colp.
- anton
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anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Most things have to be believed to be seen
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Whaxiac
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Posts: 3
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: How does Linux compare to Mac OS X?
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Manuel Tobias Schiller wrote:
| Quote: | On 2006-04-12, Eric P. <ericp06@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hello,
I'm interested in hearing from anyone who's compared the performance of
Linux (specifically YDL) and Mac OS X (the more current version, the
better). I want to install each of these systems and check 'em out, and
I'd like any useful information and interesting observations folks may
have from their experiences.
I can't really compare performance because I can't test OS X (I don't
have it), but giving both systems a try for two or three months is a
good idea; you'll find out what suits you best, and if you find yourself
using the "other" OS you didn't want to test that day, that gives you a
clue as well, doesn't it?
The learning curve on linux is generally considered a little steeper,
but, in my opinion, it's never a bad idea to learn something about the
tools you are going to use before getting to work. That's what any
worker must do during his or her education... Learning to avoid the
"smashing one's finger with a hammer" and a few other do's and don't's
in a computing context seems to be a good thing.
Since both systems were born of UNIX, does it make sense to run both on
a single machine? I'm wondering which of the two systems would be best
for use on a G4/450 single-processor system. That's the machine I have,
currently with 640MB of RAM, but I plan on maxing it out sometime soon,
then changing the graphics card to a GeForce 4 Ti (hope Linux supports
this!), and later a processor upgrade.
If you use both systems, it makes sense to have both installed. 
By the way, if I remember correctly, mac-on-linux can start OS X under
linux in a window, it'll be a little slower but usable. So you don't
have to do without OS X even if linux is running at the moment - you'll
get the best of two worlds, even if one of them is a little slower.
About performance: I'm running a G3 at 300 MHz (1 MB L2 cache) with 384 MB
of RAM under linux, and I'm quite satisfied with its performance; it's only
too slow to watch DVDs without a lot of frame skipping. The G3 will also
outperform my K6-2 at 500MHz (same amount of RAM) for most tasks unless
you're watching movies. Your G4 is probably quite a bit faster, and DVDs
should play just fine with the AltiVec instruction set that the G4 supports.
I'm writing this because I hope it gives you some idea what to expect,
even if it might not exactly apply to your situation.
I'm looking for the best performance I can get from my machine in speed
and stability. Wherever there's a choice, I favor more stability, of
course. I want to make my system the best it can possibly be for
Internet use, graphics and sound editing (later including audio
recording), word processing/spreadsheeting/database work, and gaming. I
don't ask for much, do I? *L*
You want a system that is optimal for any use one can imagine? Tell me
when you found it, we'll sell it together and get rich! ;)
Seriously though, stability is generally considered good for both
systems.
Any and all feedback will be greatly appreciated! For e-mail response,
please send to "thustar at yahoo dot com."
Thanks and happy computing,
Eric
Thanks, and happy computing back to you!
Manuel
My problem with the MAC OSX is that the Heirarchal File System (HFS) is |
a bit screwed, in a couple ways, and no one has figured out why, and
then, how to fix it so it doesn't happen!
1. The system seems to slow down after initial dozen hours of use.
2. The file tree gets garbled, after further useage.
I work a MAC certified repair center, that is independant, but has
attained some notoriety for prompt solutions for warranty and
out-of-warranty customers.
We do several tricks on each OSX system that comes in the door, before
we can begin to release them to the owner. One is Disk Warrior, after a
program wipes out all the Urdu,Swahili,French, German, Russian, Chinese
and 90 other language files that total about 2Gb of space!
I also service PCs, and the XP system is hitting 8 years old before
anyone will see Vista. Our tests of Vista Test base convinced me that
Vista is truly going to stand for huge expenditures to buy new DRM
'certified' Monitors, hardware, plus it will take you 6 Gigabytes for a
minimal install!
GNU/Linux doesn't screw up the file system, has had a really great
'desktop' presence since about 2000, getting better all the time!
The 1600 applications normally included in a LiveCD install, and the
fact that every peice of hardware I have tested over the past 9 years
automatically installed, have sold me on GNU/Linux for all my home systems.
I would like to mention that there are the Ext2, Ext3, and Reiserfs
journaling systems that do not seem to kludge the File System, like both
MS and MAC do!
When somebody fixes the MAC HFS system correctly, and speeds up the
systems to meet what is available for about 40% less in the PC world, I
know that it will simply take off.
Right now, I can buy a Dell 3.0Ghz tower for about $900, with the same
monitor that is advised for the MAC, but, the MAC system at 2.0Ghz costs
$1500! (Looking at the current products at Costco. for instance). Both
come with the commercial OSes. Much more can be saved when systems are
purchased with no licensd OS and a FREE Software OS is installed.
And, my final note, If you don't want to try a LiveCDrom of Linux, and
want something closer to the MAC OSX, try one of the live *BSDs!
All 310 of both the above are at http://livecdlist.com |
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Manuel Tobias Schiller
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
Posts: 15
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:
Re: How does Linux compare to Mac OS X?
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On 2006-04-16, Whaxiac <whaxiac@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I would like to mention that there are the Ext2, Ext3, and Reiserfs
journaling systems that do not seem to kludge the File System, like both
MS and MAC do!
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Don't forget the XFS filesystem on Linux which seems to be very good as
well (the only trouble I had was that an old (10 years +) disk crashed,
but that was certainly not XFS's fault, besides, one should have backups
ready in any case). There's also JFS but in the tests I have done, it
seems slower than XFS, reiserfs and ext3. It's good for relatively small
devices like ZIP disks, though.
If you don't like HFS on OS X, you can also try ufs, I think. Might not
be the fastest option (don't know about speed), but ufs has been around
in all the BSDs for long enough to be mature.
Manuel
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