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Teilhard Knight
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"Peter N. M. Hansteen" <peter@bgnett.no> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> writes:
I just bought this laptop and seems to be cutting-edge technology. I want
to
install FreeBDS and Mandrake there, but I wonder if they will manage with
my
wireless adapter. I guess the only way to know is to install and see,
huh?
As somebody else noted, the dmesg style output from the install kernel
contains whatever info it was possible to extract from the hardware. The
information offered by the OpenBSD install disks is excellent (in fact
on more than one occasion I've used that to determine which drivers to
fetch from where when resurrecting Microsoft boxes) and if your gear is
not supported out of the box, the info you get will certainly point you
in the right direction. It might be a good idea or at least interesting
to try a 3.7-beta snapshot (available from /pub/OpenBSD/snapshot/$arch
on your friendly neighborhood mirror) on your brand new hardware.
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I am thinking on installing OpenBSD in another computer. A desktop computer.
On the other hand, reading the dmesg output might be over my head. I am
always confused about possible choices before trying things myself. Asking
is good, but you find all sorts of people who prefer different things that
it is impossible to follow only just one advise. I'll try FreeBSD 5.3 and I
let you all know how I do.
Teilhard. |
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auliya
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that would have been a while ago yeah? the 5-series has just become
stable, on 5.3, and is now considered ready for general user usage.
that was true of the 4-series a long time ago, so maybe that's what
they meant.
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DoN. Nichols
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject:
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In article <39e3ucF62s54sU1@individual.net>,
Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
| Quote: | I have already made my mind to try 5.3. I had a look at the installation
instructions of OpenBSD, and I think I am better off with something I am
more familiar with. Besides, apparently FreeBSD is a much more complete
system. Not that I need many things, but I would like to compile my own
kernel, among other things. Thanks for your advise.
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This implies that you believe that you cannot compile your own
kernel with OpenBSD? If so, this is news to me, as I have done so both
with OpenBSD 3.4 and OpenBSD 3.5 with no problems -- both on i386
architectures and on SPARC architectures. (No need, yet, to try it on
SPARC64 architectures, but I would expect it to work just as well.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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Helmut Schneider
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject:
Re: Simple question
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Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
I prefer 5.3. But why don't you just get e.g. VMWare and have a look?!
What is VMWare?
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John already gave you the link, but to make it short:
VMware is an application where you can install operating systems on. No
"multiboot" is required. You could run XP on your laptop and simultaniously
run *BSD, Solaris, LINUX and vv. It is a fantastic playground with even IPv6
capability.
HTH, Helmut |
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Marko Vihoma
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 44
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:02 pm Post subject:
Re: Simple question
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Friday 11 March 2005 19:48 Teilhard Knight wrote in
comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:
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I have already made my mind to try 5.3. I had a look at the
installation instructions of OpenBSD, and I think I am better off with
something I am more familiar with. Besides, apparently FreeBSD is a
much more complete system. Not that I need many things, but I would
like to compile my own kernel, among other things. Thanks for your
advise.
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OpenBSD has gcc just like FreeBSD.
You probably made the right decicion about choosing FreeBSD 5.3 over
4.11 for Your brand new laptop. I am tracking 5-STABLE (5.4-PRERELEASE
atm.) on my workstation (hp pavilion t649) with no problems, and it has
some new features in userland (/etc/rc.d/*, etc.) which make it more
easy to use than 4.*, at least for newcomers like me. FreeBSD 5.* also
has newer drivers to satisfy Your brand new machine's appetite.
On the other hand OpenBSD has apache, perl (FreeBSD 5.* doesn't include
that anymore) (and ksh  , CARP and ALTQ in the base system and
GENERIC-kernel, so it is a much more complete system as a
firewall/router/webserver than FreeBSD out-of-the-box. Even if OpenBSD
is a bit more unfamiliar to install from a Windows/Linux users POV it
doesn't make it any more incomplete.
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Teilhard Knight
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Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:38 am Post subject:
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"DoN. Nichols" <dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:d0t413$8bn$1@fuego.d-and-d.com...
| Quote: | In article <39e3ucF62s54sU1@individual.net>,
Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
[ ... ]
I have already made my mind to try 5.3. I had a look at the installation
instructions of OpenBSD, and I think I am better off with something I am
more familiar with. Besides, apparently FreeBSD is a much more complete
system. Not that I need many things, but I would like to compile my own
kernel, among other things. Thanks for your advise.
This implies that you believe that you cannot compile your own
kernel with OpenBSD? If so, this is news to me, as I have done so both
with OpenBSD 3.4 and OpenBSD 3.5 with no problems -- both on i386
architectures and on SPARC architectures. (No need, yet, to try it on
SPARC64 architectures, but I would expect it to work just as well.
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I believe you, but apparently, for what I have been told, it's not the thing
to do. According with the references I've had, OpenBSD is a system for
installing and working with it. "No need to do anything else". I am just an
ignorant trying to find out more. Thanks for your feedback.
--
Teilhard Knight
The Extraterrestrial
Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox |
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Teilhard Knight
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 137
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:44 am Post subject:
Re: Simple question
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"Marko Vihoma" <marko@where.ever.invalid> wrote in message
news:4232318f_2@news.dnainternet.net...
| Quote: | Friday 11 March 2005 19:48 Teilhard Knight wrote in
comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:
I have already made my mind to try 5.3. I had a look at the
installation instructions of OpenBSD, and I think I am better off with
something I am more familiar with. Besides, apparently FreeBSD is a
much more complete system. Not that I need many things, but I would
like to compile my own kernel, among other things. Thanks for your
advise.
OpenBSD has gcc just like FreeBSD.
You probably made the right decicion about choosing FreeBSD 5.3 over
4.11 for Your brand new laptop. I am tracking 5-STABLE (5.4-PRERELEASE
atm.) on my workstation (hp pavilion t649) with no problems, and it has
some new features in userland (/etc/rc.d/*, etc.) which make it more
easy to use than 4.*, at least for newcomers like me. FreeBSD 5.* also
has newer drivers to satisfy Your brand new machine's appetite.
On the other hand OpenBSD has apache, perl (FreeBSD 5.* doesn't include
that anymore) (and ksh , CARP and ALTQ in the base system and
GENERIC-kernel, so it is a much more complete system as a
firewall/router/webserver than FreeBSD out-of-the-box. Even if OpenBSD
is a bit more unfamiliar to install from a Windows/Linux users POV it
doesn't make it any more incomplete.
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Yes, I think I made a right decision. Problem is that the installation CD
wouldn't boot, not the installation floppies. So, I'm stuck. I have tested
whether there is something wrong with the CD, and I have found out it's OK;
it boots all right in other machines. I disabled Hypethreading in the BIOS
and no luck. Any suggestions?
Teilhard. |
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Teilhard Knight
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Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:46 am Post subject:
Re: Simple question
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"auliya" <auliya@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1110565666.861019.83110@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | that would have been a while ago yeah? the 5-series has just become
stable, on 5.3, and is now considered ready for general user usage.
that was true of the 4-series a long time ago, so maybe that's what
they meant.
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Yes, things change. I have to get updated more often  ).
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Teilhard Knight
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:50 am Post subject:
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"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39emv1F61m42oU1@individual.net...
| Quote: | Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
I prefer 5.3. But why don't you just get e.g. VMWare and have a look?!
What is VMWare?
John already gave you the link, but to make it short:
VMware is an application where you can install operating systems on. No
"multiboot" is required. You could run XP on your laptop and
simultaniously run *BSD, Solaris, LINUX and vv. It is a fantastic
playground with even IPv6 capability.
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Thanks for the explanation. I went to the site and I couldn't make head and
tails. I have 6 computers and I have gone through a great deal of pain to
set them for multiple boot. Do you think I can leave my OSs there and use VM
ware without having to install it all? <I have the impression this is a
stupid question>
Teilhard |
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Nicholas Marriott
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject:
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"Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39d2vaF5qkv6vU1@individual.net...
Teilhard Knight (teilhk@privacy.net) wrote:
"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39b7vaF60lnjrU1@individual.net...
If you plan to install pf, apache, postfix, ntpd, etc and have OpenBSD
running in front of your dearly network: OF COURSE! Otherwise IMO you
should use FreeBSD instead.
And do you recommend the 4 series or the 5 series? They say FreeBSD 5.x
are for geeks who can get their hands into the distro like cutting
cheese, and that the 4.x series is for the doomies like me. Sorry for
so many questions but I am about to configure a laptop with at least
three OSs.
I prefer 5.3. But why don't you just get e.g. VMWare and have a look?!
What is VMWare? I think I'll try 5.3. When 5 first appeared and I went to
the support groups (almost) everybody told me that series 5 was for grown
ups and that I should stick to the 4 series. For what little I know, 4.11
wouldn't work well in my laptop. So, I am already downloading.
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You could also try qemu. It is in ports and is incredibly easy to setup and
use on FreeBSD. I only use it to run Win98 though...
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Helmut Schneider
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Joined: 23 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject:
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Teilhard Knight (teilhk@privacy.net) wrote:
| Quote: | "Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39emv1F61m42oU1@individual.net...
Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
I prefer 5.3. But why don't you just get e.g. VMWare and have a look?!
What is VMWare?
John already gave you the link, but to make it short:
VMware is an application where you can install operating systems on. No
"multiboot" is required. You could run XP on your laptop and
simultaniously run *BSD, Solaris, LINUX and vv. It is a fantastic
playground with even IPv6 capability.
Thanks for the explanation. I went to the site and I couldn't make head
and tails. I have 6 computers and I have gone through a great deal of
pain to set them for multiple boot. Do you think I can leave my OSs
there and use VM ware without having to install it all? <I have the
impression this is a stupid question
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You have 6 running systems each on its own hardware? Leave it there.
You want to play around with an OS and/or prepare a rollout? Use VMWare.
Anyway, you have to install an OS in which you install VMWare (Workstation)
in which you install another OS.
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Teilhard Knight
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"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39lojmF63dtu1U1@individual.net...
| Quote: | Teilhard Knight (teilhk@privacy.net) wrote:
"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39emv1F61m42oU1@individual.net...
Teilhard Knight <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
I prefer 5.3. But why don't you just get e.g. VMWare and have a look?!
What is VMWare?
John already gave you the link, but to make it short:
VMware is an application where you can install operating systems on. No
"multiboot" is required. You could run XP on your laptop and
simultaniously run *BSD, Solaris, LINUX and vv. It is a fantastic
playground with even IPv6 capability.
Thanks for the explanation. I went to the site and I couldn't make head
and tails. I have 6 computers and I have gone through a great deal of
pain to set them for multiple boot. Do you think I can leave my OSs
there and use VM ware without having to install it all? <I have the
impression this is a stupid question
You have 6 running systems each on its own hardware? Leave it there.
You want to play around with an OS and/or prepare a rollout? Use VMWare.
Anyway, you have to install an OS in which you install VMWare
(Workstation) in which you install another OS.
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Do you mean I would have to re-install everything? Man, some computers carry
about 7 OSs, and I have sweated hard to configure them.
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Teilhard Knight
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
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"Nicholas Marriott" <nicNOSPAM@ufie.org.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Teilhard Knight" <teilhk@privacy.net> wrote:
"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39d2vaF5qkv6vU1@individual.net...
Teilhard Knight (teilhk@privacy.net) wrote:
"Helmut Schneider" <jumper99@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:39b7vaF60lnjrU1@individual.net...
If you plan to install pf, apache, postfix, ntpd, etc and have
OpenBSD
running in front of your dearly network: OF COURSE! Otherwise IMO you
should use FreeBSD instead.
And do you recommend the 4 series or the 5 series? They say FreeBSD
5.x
are for geeks who can get their hands into the distro like cutting
cheese, and that the 4.x series is for the doomies like me. Sorry for
so many questions but I am about to configure a laptop with at least
three OSs.
I prefer 5.3. But why don't you just get e.g. VMWare and have a look?!
What is VMWare? I think I'll try 5.3. When 5 first appeared and I went to
the support groups (almost) everybody told me that series 5 was for grown
ups and that I should stick to the 4 series. For what little I know, 4.11
wouldn't work well in my laptop. So, I am already downloading.
You could also try qemu. It is in ports and is incredibly easy to setup
and
use on FreeBSD. I only use it to run Win98 though...
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Would you tell me a little more about it or give me a link?
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Marko Vihoma
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:
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Monday 14 March 2005 13:44 Teilhard Knight wrote in
comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:
| Quote: | Yes, I think I made a right decision. Problem is that the installation
CD wouldn't boot, not the installation floppies. So, I'm stuck. I have
tested whether there is something wrong with the CD, and I have found
out it's OK; it boots all right in other machines. I disabled
Hypethreading in the BIOS and no luck. Any suggestions?
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It doesn't even start to boot, or it stops after beginning the boot
sequence from the cd/floppies?
First doublecheck Your BIOS boot settings, so the first boot device is
the cd-drive (or floppy) which You want to boot from.
If the boot sequence starts from the cd/floppies, but stops later, then
tell us where it stops and report possible error messages.
Also read:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html
--
marko [dot] vihoma [at] dnainternet [dot] net
Talk about zombies at c.u.b.freebsd.misc:
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Teilhard Knight
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:56 am Post subject:
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Marko Vihoma wrote:
| Quote: | Monday 14 March 2005 13:44 Teilhard Knight wrote in
comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:
Yes, I think I made a right decision. Problem is that the
installation CD wouldn't boot, not the installation floppies. So,
I'm stuck. I have tested whether there is something wrong with the
CD, and I have found out it's OK; it boots all right in other
machines. I disabled Hypethreading in the BIOS and no luck. Any
suggestions?
It doesn't even start to boot, or it stops after beginning the boot
sequence from the cd/floppies?
First doublecheck Your BIOS boot settings, so the first boot device is
the cd-drive (or floppy) which You want to boot from.
If the boot sequence starts from the cd/floppies, but stops later,
then tell us where it stops and report possible error messages.
Also read:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html
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I'll read what you give me, but what doesn't boot is the kernel. Sorry for
my bad explaining. Just after the kernel boot menu, I get stuck, everything
freezes. Boot order in the BIOS is fine, I can boot from CD and floppies.
Teilhard. |
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