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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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Joined: 25 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:04 am Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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In article <JAVqg.520897$Yi7.12688504@phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
Aragorn <stryder@telenet.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | The /vga=/ option does not belong in the kernel's /append/ line,
especially not with a /video=/ statement.
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Thanks for the tip. I took out the vga= parameter and put all the video
settings in the video= parameter, and all the boot messages appeared
just fine.
Now to try getting the X server running.  |
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Aragorn
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Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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On Wednesday 05 July 2006 10:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro stood up and spoke
the following words to the masses in /alt.os.linux.gentoo...:/
| Quote: | In article <4489b973$0$11079$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>,
Sebastian Volke <jungschar_basti@gmx.net> wrote:
But be warned: the first _good_ installation is not an easy thing and
it took me three tries to get one.
I've just done my first one. I've done Linux installs before, just not
a Gentoo one. It's mostly working, except I can't figure out the right
console VGA graphical mode to use. It's a Shuttle SN25P (AMD64) with a
GeForce 7600GS graphics card.
I've currently got
video=vesafb vga=0x313
in my kernel parameters, and it complains that the VGA mode is
invalid. If I specify 31a (the same as on my other Shuttle box,
running OpenSuSE 10.0), then I just get a blank screen, though from
the disk activity it appears it is booting up, I'm just not seeing the
messages. If I give the kernel one of the 0xF0* modes, that seems to
work, though I gather that's a text mode rather than a graphical mode.
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As I understand your post, you are supplying the parameters wrongly,
although I must admit that not every /vga=/ statement yields a viewable
screen.
The /vga=/ option does not belong in the kernel's /append/ line,
especially not with a /video=/ statement. It is best set to "normal"
in the general section of your bootloader's configuration, and you can
then specify a framebuffer resolution by providing something like...
video=vesafb:1024x768-32@85
.... as a kernel parameter. The above sets a framebuffer resolution of
1024*768 pixels at 32-bit colordepth and 85 Hz vertical refresh rate.
/vesafb/ has more options than shown here - e.g. you can let it use the
MTRR('s) in your CPU('s). See the kernel documentation for more
details.
Hope this helps... ;-)
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With kind regards,
*Aragorn*
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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Joined: 25 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:10 am Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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In article <4489b973$0$11079$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>,
Sebastian Volke <jungschar_basti@gmx.net> wrote:
| Quote: | But be warned: the first _good_ installation is not an easy thing and it
took me three tries to get one.
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I've just done my first one. I've done Linux installs before, just not a
Gentoo one. It's mostly working, except I can't figure out the right
console VGA graphical mode to use. It's a Shuttle SN25P (AMD64) with a
GeForce 7600GS graphics card.
I've currently got
video=vesafb vga=0x313
in my kernel parameters, and it complains that the VGA mode is invalid.
If I specify 31a (the same as on my other Shuttle box, running OpenSuSE
10.0), then I just get a blank screen, though from the disk activity it
appears it is booting up, I'm just not seeing the messages. If I give
the kernel one of the 0xF0* modes, that seems to work, though I gather
that's a text mode rather than a graphical mode. |
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 723
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| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:03 am Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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In article <slrne6vshc.i1r.aznomad@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
AZ Nomad <aznomad@PmunOgeBOX.com> wrote:
| Quote: | And again, the amd64 build is rock solid.
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Except that mkinitrd seems to be masked for amd64. |
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Sebastian Volke
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject:
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I can agree with that on the whole length.
Gentoo is simply the best system, if you really are interested in
understanding the way, a linux system works und runs.
You _will_ get to now many details of the system without even noticing
it. That's really worth it.
But be warned: the first _good_ installation is not an easy thing and it
took me three tries to get one.
But just look forward to a running system and the knowledge you'll get
from it.
Sebastian
Ben Measures wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 17 May 2006 10:36:10 -0700, Mark Baker wrote:
What is it about Gentoo that you appreciate over other Linux distros?
Maximum flexibility, choice and ease of maintenance. The downside
to this is, instead of being given a button that says "install now",
you're given a manual and a command prompt.
This way suits some but not many. If you're not comfortable with manuals
and command prompts (and don't ever want to be) you should steer well
clear of Gentoo.
That said, don't get me wrong - a Gentoo installation is often painless,
just rarely the first time. For me, the payoff was more than worthy.
Hth, |
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Sebastian Volke
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005
Posts: 31
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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Daniel Böhmer wrote:
| Quote: | I recommend not using the graphical installer.
I do so, too.
Internet install is also
nearly necessary for Gentoo. It's really complicated to do it without
internet connection.
Here i disagree, because i managed it two times to install gentoo |
without _any_ internet connection on my PC. You may not have an
ftp-server at home, so this possibility won't do the trick.
But I downloaded the universal install cd, which provides the source
code for most of the packages you will need. At least it's enough to
create a running system with all the basic.
Don't use the graphical installer without having done a manual
installation before (that is IMHO written in the installer's manual).
You won't be able to handle everything the way you should, when you let
yourself get impressed by the GUI.
Just do it step by step as described in the gentoo installation manual.
For running gentoo, it is _highly recommended_ to have a functional
internet connection. I didn't have one on install, because the
installation cd's don't provide WLAN drivers. It is possible to do a
emerge --fetch-only in the running system and write down the names of
the files, you need for an installation, and download them somewhere else.
But on a continuing basis that get's really nasty, so make sure to have
a proper internet connection as fast as possible.
Regards
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Aragorn
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 1207
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 5:53 am Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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On Sunday 21 May 2006 06:52, AZ Nomad stood up and spoke the following
words to the masses in /alt.os.linux.gentoo...:/
| Quote: | On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:26:20 GMT, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.invalid
wrote:
On Sunday 21 May 2006 01:29, AZ Nomad stood up and spoke the
following words to the masses in /alt.os.linux.gentoo...:/
Funny, my amd64 system is rock solid. The only two bugs I have is
that evolution is a POS and will crash when you close it and
firefox's java support doesn't work.
If I'm not mistaken, then the Java support in your /Firefox/ doesn't
work because you've installed a 64-bit version of /Firefox,/ while
the Java Virtual Machine can't be compiled for 64-bit.
Yes, I know that. And I don't care enough to remedy it. I'd rather
have the 64 bit version and not have java.
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Just for your information, you could perfectly have a 64-bit build of
the entire operating system but opt to have /Firefox/ and its plugins
be 32-bit.
That should work perfectly fine and won't impede the rest of the system.
;-)
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With kind regards,
*Aragorn*
(Registered GNU/Linux user # 223157) |
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AZ Nomad
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 05 May 2005
Posts: 223
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 4:52 am Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:26:20 GMT, Aragorn <stryder@telenet.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sunday 21 May 2006 01:29, AZ Nomad stood up and spoke the following
words to the masses in /alt.os.linux.gentoo...:/
Funny, my amd64 system is rock solid. The only two bugs I have is
that evolution is a POS and will crash when you close it and firefox's
java support doesn't work.
If I'm not mistaken, then the Java support in your /Firefox/ doesn't
work because you've installed a 64-bit version of /Firefox,/ while the
Java Virtual Machine can't be compiled for 64-bit.
Yes, I know that. And I don't care enough to remedy it. I'd rather |
have the 64 bit version and not have java.
| Quote: | You would thus need to install a 32-bit /Firefox/ with a 32-bit JVM.
Again... if I'm not mistaken... 
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And again, the amd64 build is rock solid. |
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Aragorn
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 1207
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| Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:26 am Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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On Sunday 21 May 2006 01:29, AZ Nomad stood up and spoke the following
words to the masses in /alt.os.linux.gentoo...:/
| Quote: | Funny, my amd64 system is rock solid. The only two bugs I have is
that evolution is a POS and will crash when you close it and firefox's
java support doesn't work.
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If I'm not mistaken, then the Java support in your /Firefox/ doesn't
work because you've installed a 64-bit version of /Firefox,/ while the
Java Virtual Machine can't be compiled for 64-bit.
You would thus need to install a 32-bit /Firefox/ with a 32-bit JVM.
Again... if I'm not mistaken... ;-)
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With kind regards,
*Aragorn*
(Registered GNU/Linux user # 223157) |
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AZ Nomad
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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On Sat, 20 May 2006 17:46:07 -0400, Ken Scharf <wa2mzeNOTTHIS@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Gentoo has it's up side and it's down side.
Because Gentoo is installed from source (mostly) it is very possible
for an upgrade to new packages to break "something" in your system.
I've lost count of how many times after doing an "emerge -uD world"
some packages either broke, or wouldn't rebuild. Usually there is
a good reason for this and the fix is simple (though not always
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Funny, my amd64 system is rock solid. The only two bugs I have is that
evolution is a POS and will crash when you close it and firefox's
java support doesn't work.
Can you list any real examples of packages that wouldn't install
any other unstability? |
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Ken Scharf
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 35
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| Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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Dennis wrote:
| Quote: | Gentoo is not meant as a "no brainer" version of Linux.
Gentoo was made for those Linux users that do not mind working and learning
the operating system.
Capability to build from source the entire OS and applications.
Great package management.
If you were looking for a simple install, simple package management system
then we would have recommended some other disto.
Mark Baker wrote:
Thanks, Daniel -
I did finally get it up and running by not selecting any additional
packages. One thing I didn't see during install was any way to specify
maximum screen resolution; maybe I just missed it. I find myself stuck
now with a maximum of 1024x768, when I really want 1280x1024. There
must be a way to change it post-install, but I don't know what that way
is.
I've had my best success with Fedora; the installation is as painless as
I've seen, the most recent updates are readily available (unlike Ubuntu,
for example), and it has worked very well for me so far.
What is it about Gentoo that you appreciate over other Linux distros?
Mark
Daniel Böhmer wrote:
Hello Mark,
I'm trying to experiment with Gentoo, and I'm having some trouble with
installation. I downloaded the LiveCD installer and burned it. I chose
it because I didn't want to do an internet install.
I recommend not using the graphical installer. Internet install is also
nearly necessary for Gentoo. It's really complicated to do it without
internet connection. Do you have a dial-up connection? You may want to
download all the packages in one rush and set up a little FTP server one
another computer. Then you could do "internet" install without being
connected to the actual internet...
My favourite distro had been Debian and I still think it's very good for
some purposes. It takes some time to install Gentoo the first time but
even my very first test convinced me.
Download the 2005 minimal install CD and read the installation handbook
first. Then follow it and install your system step after step by hand.
This way you'll be able decide about many things and you'll learn a lot
of stuff about your PC. Take your time and try Gentoo! Looking back I
say it was worth reading this long handbook and spending some time
installing it. It's nice:-)
Daniel Böhmer,
Germany
Gentoo has it's up side and it's down side. |
Because Gentoo is installed from source (mostly) it is very possible
for an upgrade to new packages to break "something" in your system.
I've lost count of how many times after doing an "emerge -uD world"
some packages either broke, or wouldn't rebuild. Usually there is
a good reason for this and the fix is simple (though not always
obvious). A quick query on the forums usually turns up someone who
has seen the problem before and has posted an answer (or post the problem
yourself and someone will let you know how they fixed it).
Sometimes I've screwed myself by the use of "etc-update" overwriting
a config file that I should have left alone (like /etc/fstab!), or NOT
updating a config file that was necessary for the new version of a
package. I've also ended up with conflicting USE flag settings that
wouldn't work causing problems. Gentoo's ability to optimally configure
packages is a double edged sword, in that it is VERY possible to set
things up in a way that causes problems. That's why Debian takes so
long to release. They have SO many packages and they need to fine tune
their builds for EVERY arch they support, and build all those binaries.
But Gentoo's ebuilds are just as tricky to fine tune so they work on
all arch's as well. Add in the mix of user selected USE flags and
it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to insure that some ebuilds won't fail for SOMEBODY.
My X86-64 (AMD Athlon64) system is still buggy. I may just re-install
from scratch if I can't fix some broken packages after the last
emerge -uD world. Right now cups is broken (printer that used to work
doesn't anymore), XMMS no longer works (but Xine plays just fine),
and now K3B won't build (but I think I have the clue on this one).
Please don't think I'm ranting or telling anybody to keep away from
Gentoo. Just don't expect Gentoo to be as easy to install and keep
up to date as Debian or Ubantu. (actually Debian is very HARD to
keep up to date if you can't stomach unstable... hahaha).
I like Gentoo, and the support on the forums is second to none.
If I wasn't a software engineer by trade though, I'd use something
else. IOW if you speak computerese (don't have to be a dyed in the
wool Geek) you can handle it.
OK stepping off soapbox now..... |
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dxq
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 29 Oct 2005
Posts: 29
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Re: Gentoo installation
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Gentoo is not meant as a "no brainer" version of Linux.
Gentoo was made for those Linux users that do not mind working and learning
the operating system.
Capability to build from source the entire OS and applications.
Great package management.
If you were looking for a simple install, simple package management system
then we would have recommended some other disto.
Mark Baker wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks, Daniel -
I did finally get it up and running by not selecting any additional
packages. One thing I didn't see during install was any way to specify
maximum screen resolution; maybe I just missed it. I find myself stuck
now with a maximum of 1024x768, when I really want 1280x1024. There
must be a way to change it post-install, but I don't know what that way
is.
I've had my best success with Fedora; the installation is as painless as
I've seen, the most recent updates are readily available (unlike Ubuntu,
for example), and it has worked very well for me so far.
What is it about Gentoo that you appreciate over other Linux distros?
Mark
Daniel Böhmer wrote:
Hello Mark,
I'm trying to experiment with Gentoo, and I'm having some trouble with
installation. I downloaded the LiveCD installer and burned it. I chose
it because I didn't want to do an internet install.
I recommend not using the graphical installer. Internet install is also
nearly necessary for Gentoo. It's really complicated to do it without
internet connection. Do you have a dial-up connection? You may want to
download all the packages in one rush and set up a little FTP server one
another computer. Then you could do "internet" install without being
connected to the actual internet...
My favourite distro had been Debian and I still think it's very good for
some purposes. It takes some time to install Gentoo the first time but
even my very first test convinced me.
Download the 2005 minimal install CD and read the installation handbook
first. Then follow it and install your system step after step by hand.
This way you'll be able decide about many things and you'll learn a lot
of stuff about your PC. Take your time and try Gentoo! Looking back I
say it was worth reading this long handbook and spending some time
installing it. It's nice:-)
Daniel Böhmer,
Germany
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Ben Measures
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 281
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 10:36:10 -0700, Mark Baker wrote:
| Quote: | What is it about Gentoo that you appreciate over other Linux distros?
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Maximum flexibility, choice and ease of maintenance. The downside
to this is, instead of being given a button that says "install now",
you're given a manual and a command prompt.
This way suits some but not many. If you're not comfortable with manuals
and command prompts (and don't ever want to be) you should steer well
clear of Gentoo.
That said, don't get me wrong - a Gentoo installation is often painless,
just rarely the first time. For me, the payoff was more than worthy.
Hth,
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Ben Measures
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Mark Baker
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 04 May 2006
Posts: 15
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject:
Re: Gentoo installation
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Thanks, Daniel -
I did finally get it up and running by not selecting any additional
packages. One thing I didn't see during install was any way to specify
maximum screen resolution; maybe I just missed it. I find myself stuck
now with a maximum of 1024x768, when I really want 1280x1024. There
must be a way to change it post-install, but I don't know what that way is.
I've had my best success with Fedora; the installation is as painless as
I've seen, the most recent updates are readily available (unlike Ubuntu,
for example), and it has worked very well for me so far.
What is it about Gentoo that you appreciate over other Linux distros?
Mark
Daniel Böhmer wrote:
| Quote: | Hello Mark,
I'm trying to experiment with Gentoo, and I'm having some trouble with
installation. I downloaded the LiveCD installer and burned it. I chose
it because I didn't want to do an internet install.
I recommend not using the graphical installer. Internet install is also
nearly necessary for Gentoo. It's really complicated to do it without
internet connection. Do you have a dial-up connection? You may want to
download all the packages in one rush and set up a little FTP server one
another computer. Then you could do "internet" install without being
connected to the actual internet...
My favourite distro had been Debian and I still think it's very good for
some purposes. It takes some time to install Gentoo the first time but
even my very first test convinced me.
Download the 2005 minimal install CD and read the installation handbook
first. Then follow it and install your system step after step by hand.
This way you'll be able decide about many things and you'll learn a lot
of stuff about your PC. Take your time and try Gentoo! Looking back I
say it was worth reading this long handbook and spending some time
installing it. It's nice:-)
Daniel Böhmer,
Germany
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Jesper aka XyborX
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Posts: 12
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Re: gentoo installation
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On 2006-03-01, Karol Lipnicki <klipnicki@aurox.org> wrote:
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nuqDaq ghItlh tlhIngan Hol tu'laH'a' ?
Sorry. I don't see klingon offered.
What is this "Klingon". It's some language ?
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It's a language from Star Trek. More info on http://www.kli.org/
--
Sorry if I made a usenet newbie mistake. That's just what I am so far.
Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards,
Jesper aka XyborX <xyborx+usenet@xyborx.dk> |
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