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Denis Barbier
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Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 12
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 Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
| Quote: | Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest changes made to the Package Tracking
System.
New derivatives keyword
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The PTS will be used to relay informations from derivative distributions.
Therefore, a new keyword "derivatives" has been implemented. By default, a
PTS subscriber won't receive the messages associated to this keyword
unless he has already manually activated the "cvs" keyword (i.e. the set
of users having the "derivatives" keyword has been initialized as the set of
users having the "cvs" keyword because those people can read patches and
are most probably interested in them).
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So by default it is assumed that I should make Ubuntu's work and dig
into these patches to see if some pieces should be applied into Debian?
No thanks, I am getting tired of all those Debian developers who are
more interested in improving Ubuntu than Debian, and just added the
following rules to my .procmailrc:
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* ^From.*(ubuntu|canonical).com
/dev/null
Denis, pissed off
PS: No, I am not joking
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Gustavo Franco
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Posts: 102
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier <barbier@linuxfr.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest changes made to the Package Tracking
System.
New derivatives keyword
-----------------------
The PTS will be used to relay informations from derivative distributions.
Therefore, a new keyword "derivatives" has been implemented. By default, a
PTS subscriber won't receive the messages associated to this keyword
unless he has already manually activated the "cvs" keyword (i.e. the set
of users having the "derivatives" keyword has been initialized as the set of
users having the "cvs" keyword because those people can read patches and
are most probably interested in them).
So by default it is assumed that I should make Ubuntu's work and dig
into these patches to see if some pieces should be applied into Debian?
No thanks, I am getting tired of all those Debian developers who are
more interested in improving Ubuntu than Debian, and just added the
following rules to my .procmailrc:
[...]
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No, this is just a service. If you want to dig into these patches, you need to
subscribe, otherwise you can live without them like you did until now,
didn't you?
Please, think before replying my message and who you're hitting with your anger.
regards,
-- stratus
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Denis Barbier
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Posts: 12
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 05:33:45PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
| Quote: | On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier <barbier@linuxfr.org> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest changes made to the Package Tracking
System.
New derivatives keyword
-----------------------
The PTS will be used to relay informations from derivative distributions.
Therefore, a new keyword "derivatives" has been implemented. By default,
a
PTS subscriber won't receive the messages associated to this keyword
unless he has already manually activated the "cvs" keyword (i.e. the set
of users having the "derivatives" keyword has been initialized as the
set of
users having the "cvs" keyword because those people can read patches and
are most probably interested in them).
So by default it is assumed that I should make Ubuntu's work and dig
into these patches to see if some pieces should be applied into Debian?
No thanks, I am getting tired of all those Debian developers who are
more interested in improving Ubuntu than Debian, and just added the
following rules to my .procmailrc:
[...]
No, this is just a service. If you want to dig into these patches, you
need to subscribe, otherwise you can live without them like you did
until now, didn't you?
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No, I have to unsubscribe, this is exactly what upsets me. There are
also cases where messages will be sent to lists, like
http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2006/07/msg00021.html
So my procmail rule is the best option.
Denis
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Matthew Garrett
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Posts: 164
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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Denis Barbier <barbier@linuxfr.org> wrote:
| Quote: | So by default it is assumed that I should make Ubuntu's work and dig
into these patches to see if some pieces should be applied into Debian?
No thanks, I am getting tired of all those Debian developers who are
more interested in improving Ubuntu than Debian, and just added the
following rules to my .procmailrc:
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How does dropping potentially useful patches improve Debian?
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Gustavo Franco
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Posts: 102
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| Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier <barbier@linuxfr.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 05:33:45PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote:
On 7/18/06, Denis Barbier <barbier@linuxfr.org> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 10:39:18PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hello everybody,
here are some news about the latest changes made to the Package Tracking
System.
New derivatives keyword
-----------------------
The PTS will be used to relay informations from derivative distributions.
Therefore, a new keyword "derivatives" has been implemented. By default,
a
PTS subscriber won't receive the messages associated to this keyword
unless he has already manually activated the "cvs" keyword (i.e. the set
of users having the "derivatives" keyword has been initialized as the
set of
users having the "cvs" keyword because those people can read patches and
are most probably interested in them).
So by default it is assumed that I should make Ubuntu's work and dig
into these patches to see if some pieces should be applied into Debian?
No thanks, I am getting tired of all those Debian developers who are
more interested in improving Ubuntu than Debian, and just added the
following rules to my .procmailrc:
[...]
No, this is just a service. If you want to dig into these patches, you
need to subscribe, otherwise you can live without them like you did
until now, didn't you?
No, I have to unsubscribe, this is exactly what upsets me. There are
also cases where messages will be sent to lists, like
http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/2006/07/msg00021.html
So my procmail rule is the best option.
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I think you were subscribed using the 'cvs' keyword, right?
cvs
CVS commit notifications, if the package has a CVS repository and
the maintainer has set up forwarding commit notifications to the PTS.
Source: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-pkg-tracking-system
If it's ok for you "dig into these patches" that you or somebody else
(other maintainer) is forwarding to the PTS but not dig into patches
coming from derivatives, i'm sorry but you will need to unsubscribe.
The intention was the best possible, really.
regards,
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Christian Perrier
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 204
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:20 am Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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Well, what is the current temperature at noon in Toulouse? Like 40°C?
May I respectfully suggest:
:0 B:
* .*Ubuntu.*
/dev/null
Alternative suggestion:
Fridge, Beer, Pool, Holidays, Prepare good food to bring at next
Debconf (Hint: Helsinki cheese party)..... |
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Miles Bader
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Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 140
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org> writes:
| Quote: | Hint: Helsinki cheese party
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Everybody polka!!!
-miles
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Andreas Tille
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Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Posts: 171
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:30 am Post subject:
[OT] Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Christian Perrier wrote:
| Quote: | Well, what is the current temperature at noon in Toulouse? Like 40°C?
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Fridge, Beer, Pool, Holidays, Prepare good food to bring at next
Debconf (Hint: Helsinki cheese party).....
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If nothing else helps try looking at
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/13/zidane_headbutt_outrage/
which is telling a story about how the world looks at another
man from the south of France.  )
Kind regards
Andreas.
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Scott James Remnant
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Posts: 44
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On 2006-07-18 00:10, Gustavo Franco wrote:
script that's feeding the Debian PTS ... when this isn't the case.
Scott
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Gustavo Franco
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject:
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On 7/19/06, Scott James Remnant <scott@ubuntu.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 2006-07-18 00:10, Gustavo Franco wrote:
Thanks Scott, i'll stop scottwatcher and update the current page[0]
with details about the new stuff.
[0] =
http://people.debian.org/~stratus/scottwatcher/
This page is confusing ... it suggests that it's your scottwatcher
script that's feeding the Debian PTS ... when this isn't the case.
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The page is outdated, scottwatcher was feeding the Debian PTS and used
to work when the old patch scheme was being updated. The script was
shutdown, as i said in my reply (see above). :-)
regards,
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Tatsuya Kinoshita
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Joined: 08 Jun 2005
Posts: 2
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:
Bug#353633: ITA: skktools -- SKK dictionary maintenance tools
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retitle 353633 ITA: skktools -- SKK dictionary maintenance tools
thanks
I'm going to maintenance this package.
Also, I'll maintenance other SKK related packages, ddskk, skkdic,
dbskkd-cdb and skksearch, with the current maintainer Kenshi Muto's
consent.
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Scott James Remnant
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On 2006-07-17 20:39, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
| Quote: | The Ubuntu distribution will be the first to make use of this new feature
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Gustavo Franco
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On 7/19/06, Scott James Remnant <scott@ubuntu.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 2006-07-17 20:39, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
The Ubuntu distribution will be the first to make use of this new feature
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No, i've told him (and jvw if i recall correctly) about the
scottwatcher's idea / PTS integration and they decided to use a new
keyword (derivatives) to support more than Ubuntu. He missed that
scottwatcher was the first, but it was almost useless fast since
Ubuntu wasn't updating the patch list promptly. It wasn't in a public
mailing list all the time, but one of my first messages about
scottwatcher was to utnubu-discuss[0].
Well, anyway i've just updated the scottwatcher page in gluck to point
out that this is now officially deprecated and Ubuntu is sending the
mails to the PTS.
[0] = http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/utnubu-discuss/2006-March/000466.html
regards,
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Raphaël Hertzog
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Joined: 17 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:
Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Scott James Remnant wrote:
| Quote: | On 2006-07-17 20:39, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
The Ubuntu distribution will be the first to make use of this new feature.
Each time that a new package is uploaded to Ubuntu, the PTS will receive
the diff between the new version and the previous one. This way we'll
receive regularly small patches instead of having only a big monolithic
patch on http://patches.ubuntu.com/ (those will continue to be updated
anyway). Those mails will look like this:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-patches/2006-July/thread.html
Note that this isn't working right now (as of about 15 minutes ago); the
problem's somewhere at Debian's end (the PTS is rejecting our mails all
of a sudden) and Raphael will hopefully look into it.
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I just did. Master's exim configuration has been changed today [1]. DSA
probably tried to improve the configuration since master.d.o has been
suffering from overload recently.
The check for the X-PTS-Approved header has been hardwired in exim4.conf
but the check is more strict that the one I used to have: I would only
require the header when sending mail to <package>@packages.qa.debian.org
and *not* when sending mails to <package>_<keyword>@packages.qa.debian.org
since those emails are not advertised and not (yet) spammed.
Dear admins, any chance to implement the same (looser) check in exim4.conf
instead of the current one?
In the mean time, anyone who is affected by this change should just add
the required header.
Cheers,
[1] I've found this in master's /etc/exim4/exim4.conf (which has been modified today):
#!!# ACL that is used after the DATA command
check_message:
require verify = header_syntax
deny hosts = !+debianhosts
condition = ${if match{$recipients}{@packages.qa.debian.org}{${if def:h_X-PTS-Approved:{false}{true}}}{false}}
message = messages to the PTS require an X-PTS-Approved header
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