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Jules
*nix forums addict
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 63
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 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Big-disk woes
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:09:33 +0000, Bill Davidsen wrote:
| Quote: | Jules wrote:
I think I still have SLS Linux on tape somewhere; for giggles
I'll have to try and get it running again one day.
I have 0.99.4 or so as an MCC 'distribution" on my desk. Four floppy
disks, including the os, gcc, and utilities (not X).
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Heh heh - nice  I can't remember if I installed X the first time I tried
linux or not; I cant even remember if SLS came with X at first. I don't
think I've got the very first version I tried anyway.
Ahh, here we go:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions
:-)
| Quote: | I want to use it for a data entry terminal, although it did run
Slackware with X once upon a time.
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Connected to a network or not?
If it's connected to a network then put enough of Linux on it to run it
as an X terminal. Forget any apps, just do everything remotely from a
server.
If it's not connected to a network all the time, run DOS. (I used to do
that until recently on an old laptop - serial comms link when I needed it
to a shoebox-sized PC running FreeBSD, and from there to the outside world)
FC2 or FC3 seem like overkill for a laptop thats just going to be used for
data entry anyway! :)
cheers
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Thufir Hawat
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Posts: 47
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Re: make win98 boot from cd?
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That's very interesting :)
unplugging the keyboard brought up a configuration screen for a boot
password and so on. I'll poke around a bit and post my results with
that :)
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Bill Davidsen
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 217
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Sound in linux? ASUS P5AD2, Fedora Core III
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Matt wrote:
| Quote: | Matt wrote:
Benjamin Johnson wrote:
Kudzu doesn't see the sound"card" when either option is set.
That happens sometimes. I don't know how hard it is for you to set it
up right. One option is to buy a cheap standard sound card and
disable the onboard sound. I find that such a card with a CM8738
chipset sets up without problems. See also:
comp.os.linux.hardware
comp.os.linux.setup
comp.os.linux.misc
comp.os.linux.redhat
linux.redhat
linux.redhat.misc
groups.google.com
OfficeMax has a sound card free after rebate this week.
See www.techbargains.com
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In my case I think it's a setup issue, FC1 and FC2 had sound on my
laptop, so FC3 *may* have a problem.
--
bill davidsen (davidsen@darkstar.prodigy.com)
SBC/Prodigy Yorktown Heights NY data center
Project Leader, USENET news
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prg
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 235
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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Norm Dresner wrote:
[snip]
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Well, I've apparently got Midnight Commander v4.5.42 installed and
I've
brought it up and highlighted the rpm file and hit the enter key and
apart
from a brief flash of the window, nothing happens! I've tried this
in both
the left and right windows -- although never having used it before I
have no
idea what the difference is between the two sides.
I might give the source option a try as soon as (a) I have time and
(b) I
assure myself that I don't have the source for the older version
already
installed.
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If all you want to do at this stage is examine the help doc, as I
posted several days ago, just grab the .tgz and read MAIN after you
expand the file. No need to install anything.
Since you have mc installed, just double click the .tgz file in mc,
double click enlightenment-docs-0.16.7, double click E_docs, highlight
MAIN, select View from menu at bottom of screen. Does it get easier?
Get it here:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/enlightenment/enlightenment-docs-0.16.7.tar.gz?download
or pick it from the sourceforge download list:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2&package_id=116678&release_id=234365
hth again,
prg
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Norm Dresner
*nix forums addict
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 74
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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"Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote in message
news:slrnd05lqs.cri.ibuprofin@compton.phx.az.us...
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In theory, the '--nodeps' option might work - but there is are safer
ways around this.
1. Grab the source rpm, and install that. This has no effect on your
rpm database, or anything else.
2. Have you got midnight commander installed? It will open rpm _files_
for viewing and copying components. Start mc, then keyboard/mouse your
way to the 'enlightenment-docs-0.16.7-1.noarch.rpm' file, and hit the
Enter key. I've used that option fairly often, especially with rpms
that didn't come from the distributor (remember that many distros use
rpm, and some are quite different).
Okay, what can I do? I've tried rpm -i --force
Getting a bigger hammer often just makes smaller pieces that you
have to pick up after you discover how it trashed your system. This
is RARELY a good idea.
BUT ... but ... I said that I didn't want to install the binary
until
I read the doc to see how much different it was from the previous version
with which I had to maintain compatibility.
Actually, I prefer working with the src.rpm for this, as you get ALL of
the
documentation (the binary rpms - even the 'doc-noarch' rpms often don't
include all of the documentation. Also, it includes the 'spec' file
that rpm-build uses to convert the source to a binary, and this will tell
you what options the package maintainer has selected. This may also impact
on your compatibility problems.
Old guy
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Well, I've apparently got Midnight Commander v4.5.42 installed and I've
brought it up and highlighted the rpm file and hit the enter key and apart
from a brief flash of the window, nothing happens! I've tried this in both
the left and right windows -- although never having used it before I have no
idea what the difference is between the two sides.
I might give the source option a try as soon as (a) I have time and (b) I
assure myself that I don't have the source for the older version already
installed.
Thanks for the suggestions
Norm |
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Norm Dresner
*nix forums addict
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 74
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Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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"kermit" <cku192@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ctra29$2l94$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
| Quote: | Norm Dresner wrote:
[...]
The enlightenment-docs-0.16.7-1.noarch.rpm package will not install.
rpm
tells me that it won't install it because one of the prerequisites
is,
in
fact, enlightenment 0.16.
Which means that I can't install the doc files until I install the
binary
but I don't want to install the binary until I read the doc to see
how
much
different it is than the previous version ... GOTCHA!!!
rpm -i --nodeps
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Alas, this too fails because there's a conflict of the 0.16 documentation
with the 0.15.x documentation since they install files with identical names
in identical directories. I think I'll give rpm2cpio a try as suggested
earlier.
Thanks for enlightening me a little more about rpm's options.
Norm |
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Tmio Makinen
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 1
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Problem displaying linux console from Windows 2k
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what is windows ?
"Pepebuho" <p1e2p3e4b5u6h7o8@pananet.com> wrote in message
news:bdbp89091f@enews4.newsguy.com...
| Quote: | Hi
I am a newbie and I installed a headless server next to my Windows 2K
computer in order to learn better about Linux.
My problem is as follows. Everytime that I login to the server and execute
"man" to look up the manual pages, I get some garbage characters on the
screen.
I have tried accessing my server using the following methods:
1. Cygwin environment using SSH
2. telnet from cmd.exe
If I do "man bash" from the Cygwin shell inside my Win2K system, I get the
following after NAME:
bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell
If I conect to my headless server using ssh from the cygwin environment, I
get the following:
bash â^' GNU Bourneâ??Again SHell
If I do it by using telnet (the plain vanilla from windows2k) I get the
following:
bash ?êÆ GNU Bourne?ÇÉAgain SHell
And like those lines, there are several others with strange characters in
between.
I know that for some reason, ssh and telenet are not interpreting some
escape sequence character. My question is the following.
1. How and Where can I find in Linux the format definition for the output,
including what type of escape character they are using when somebody
connects from outside the server. I am using redhat 8.0
2. what commands, if any do I have availabel under cygwin or ssh to
properly
interpret such an input?
3. what commands if any do I have available under Windows2k telnet to
properly interpret sush an input?
thanks, I apreciate whatever help or pointers for info you might provide
me
with.
Javier
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Tom F.
*nix forums addict
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Posts: 52
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Re: This also happened to me, easy to fix...
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What you say is true as far as it goes, but I stand by my post. Newbies
have no business logging in as root in X in 99 percent of all cases.
A few distros -- Debian and Fedora come to mind -- even disallow root
logins from xdm.
I can't remember a time when I HAD to do a full login as root. I'm sure
there are cases, but I can't remember any.
When I'm feeling lazy, I just start a file manager as root, but that
pretty much covers it. All configuration utilities that need root
access ask for it when the are started.
I may have overstated it slightly, but I don't know why this is so
shocking.
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Moe Trin
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 972
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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In article <sC9Md.6598$xR1.3889@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Norm Dresner wrote:
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"Norm Dresner" <ndrez@att.net> wrote in message
news:mBRLd.131994$w62.51924@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
their website and the only one I could find was the doc package for
0.16.x -- hey, no problem, I said glibly, I'll install that and it
should
contain most of what I need. BUT ...
The enlightenment-docs-0.16.7-1.noarch.rpm package will not install.
rpm
tells me that it won't install it because one of the prerequisites is,
in
fact, enlightenment 0.16.
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In theory, the '--nodeps' option might work - but there is are safer
ways around this.
1. Grab the source rpm, and install that. This has no effect on your
rpm database, or anything else.
2. Have you got midnight commander installed? It will open rpm _files_
for viewing and copying components. Start mc, then keyboard/mouse your
way to the 'enlightenment-docs-0.16.7-1.noarch.rpm' file, and hit the
Enter key. I've used that option fairly often, especially with rpms
that didn't come from the distributor (remember that many distros use
rpm, and some are quite different).
| Quote: | Okay, what can I do? I've tried rpm -i --force
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Getting a bigger hammer often just makes smaller pieces that you
have to pick up after you discover how it trashed your system. This
is RARELY a good idea.
| Quote: | BUT ... but ... I said that I didn't want to install the binary until
I read the doc to see how much different it was from the previous version
with which I had to maintain compatibility.
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Actually, I prefer working with the src.rpm for this, as you get ALL of the
documentation (the binary rpms - even the 'doc-noarch' rpms often don't
include all of the documentation. Also, it includes the 'spec' file
that rpm-build uses to convert the source to a binary, and this will tell
you what options the package maintainer has selected. This may also impact
on your compatibility problems.
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Thufir Hawat
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Posts: 47
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Ways to keep my Debian box updated over dial-up (3 KB/sec)?
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follow up to comp.os.linux.setup
"The package management via apt-get/synaptic really is an advantage
over other distributions. Although I have used apt-get/yum on Fedora
regularly, I have to say: it's even slightly better on a Debian-based
distribution. The technical procedure might be the same, but having the
one universal package repository where you can find each and everything
is just a killer feature. Of course, there is not that much difference
between Ubuntu and a Fedora Core installation with a decent yum.conf
set up, it merely "feels different". Hard to explain, I guess you'll
have to experience it for yourself."
<http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8754>
<http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/>
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John Hasler
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 687
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Ways to keep my Debian box updated over dial-up (3 KB/sec)?
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ANT wrote:
| Quote: | I think there was about a hundred packages in apt-get upgrade list when I
checked last night.
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Apt-get them one or a few at a time. You can use the '-d' option to
postpone installation if you wish. Man apt-get. You might want to
consider using Aptitude instead of apt-get.
| Quote: | Gah!  It looks like Debian wasn't really designed for dial-up modems
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I've been using it on dialup since the late nineties.
Thufir Hawat writes:
| Quote: | bittorrent would allow you to download everything at home in that you can
resume downloads.
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apt-get will also resume downloads.
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
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Thufir Hawat
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Posts: 47
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Ways to keep my Debian box updated over dial-up (3 KB/sec)?
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follow up set to comp.os.linux.setup
ANT...@zimage.com wrote:
[..]
| Quote: | Bascially, I would like to take the list of packages that I need to
download and their locations, download them at work to burn to a
CD-RW
and/or USB Flash drives/sticks (haven't tested to see if Flash
drives/sticks work on that Debian box). I see *.dep files are
download-
able from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages (unstable, stable,
etc.). I do NOT want have to download each file one by one. I think
there was about a hundred packages in apt-get upgrade list when I
checked last night. Gah! :(
It looks like Debian wasn't really designed for dial-up modems and
I do
not really want to get another distribution. Please note that this
is a
desktop workstation, not a notebook/laptop so portability is not an
option.
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bittorrent would allow you to download everything at home in that you
can resume downloads. maybe download the entire distro and
update/upgrade via the hard drive? very lengthy process, of course,
and, it's more of a nce-in-a-while solution rather than a day-to-day
maintenance.
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Thufir Hawat
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 02 Feb 2005
Posts: 47
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: make win98 boot from cd?
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what's the best forum for this? keep cross-posting?
from <http://www-132.ibm.com/content/search/300gl.html> I found the
user manual at
<http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=0&q1=300GL&uid=psg1MIGR-4BYJFD&loc=en_US&cs=utf-8&lang=>.
Using adobe's search, I looked through the pdf fiile for BIOS, nothing
jumped out at me as to how to enter the BIOS. However, booting with
the keyboard unplugged does good stuff!
I'm in the configuration/setup utility :)
By mucking in the utility I changed the boot a bit so now it says "IBM"
on the "boot screen" (?) and then says "f12 for network" and "f1" for
setup utility. I was pressing f1 all along, I don't know why it took
unplugging the keyboard to get into the utility to "enable" that. I
might've changed settings to now enable it? kinda moot, but...
Within the setup utility, nothing jumps out with regards to the boot
sequence, though.
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David Efflandt
*nix forums addict
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Posts: 97
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: "Sync out of range" problem on suse 9.1
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On 1 Feb 2005 05:56:04 -0800, vivekian <vivekaseeja@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi ,
I installed suse 9.1 and have a Samsung Syncmaster 773S monitor. The
installation was fine and it runs ok at runlevel 3. But the GUI does
not start up at init 5 with the monitor saying "Sync out of range" . I
tried to configure the monitor through Yast and Sax2 , but the
configuration hangs midway . Any solutions.
Thanks ,
vivekian
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I had that problem when first switching from CRT to unlisted LCD monitor.
Try: SaX2 -l (which starts config in standard 640x480 vga)
And after selecting your monitor or one that closely matches check and/or
set proper horizontal and vertical frequency ranges. Although, I do not
know why yours works with startx from runlevel 3 and fails to work with
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Jeff Richards
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
Posts: 6
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: make win98 boot from cd?
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I don't think you could have looked very hard. The manual for your computer
includes the following description on page 37:
1. Turn on your computer. If your computer is already on when you start this
procedure, you must shut down the operating system, turn off the computer,
wait a few seconds until all in-use lights go off, and restart the computer.
(Do not use Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart the computer.)
2. When the Configuration/Setup Utility prompt appears in the lower-left
corner of the screen during startup, press F1. (This prompt appears on the
screen for only a few seconds. You must press F1 quickly.)
And on page 46:
Setting the startup sequence
Your computer can be started from several devices including the hard disk
drive, diskette drive, CD-ROM drive, or from the network. The startup
program looks for these devices in a selected sequence. You can use
Configuration/Setup Utility to select the startup sequence. To set the
startup sequence:
1. Start the Configuration/Setup Utility program (see "Starting and using
the Configuration/Setup Utility program" on page 37).
2. Select Start Options and press Enter.
3. Select Startup Sequence from the Start Options menu and press Enter.
4. Under Primary Startup Sequence, select First Startup Device and press
Enter.
5. Use the arrow keys to make your selection and press Enter.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"Thufir Hawat" <thufir.hawat@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1107405197.990186.284080@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | what's the best forum for this? keep cross-posting?
from <http://www-132.ibm.com/content/search/300gl.html> I found the
user manual at
http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=0&q1=300GL&uid=psg1MIGR-4BYJFD&loc=en_US&cs=utf-8&lang=>.
Using adobe's search, I looked through the pdf fiile for BIOS, nothing
jumped out at me as to how to enter the BIOS. However, booting with
the keyboard unplugged does good stuff!
I'm in the configuration/setup utility :)
By mucking in the utility I changed the boot a bit so now it says "IBM"
on the "boot screen" (?) and then says "f12 for network" and "f1" for
setup utility. I was pressing f1 all along, I don't know why it took
unplugging the keyboard to get into the utility to "enable" that. I
might've changed settings to now enable it? kinda moot, but...
Within the setup utility, nothing jumps out with regards to the boot
sequence, though.
--
Thufir Hawat
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