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Norm Dresner
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Joined: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 74
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 Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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"kermit" <cku192@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ctra29$2l94$1@gavrilo.mtu.ru...
| Quote: | Norm Dresner wrote:
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The enlightenment-docs-0.16.7-1.noarch.rpm package will not install.
rpm
tells me that it won't install it because one of the prerequisites
is,
in
fact, enlightenment 0.16.
Which means that I can't install the doc files until I install the
binary
but I don't want to install the binary until I read the doc to see
how
much
different it is than the previous version ... GOTCHA!!!
rpm -i --nodeps
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Alas, this too fails because there's a conflict of the 0.16 documentation
with the 0.15.x documentation since they install files with identical names
in identical directories. I think I'll give rpm2cpio a try as suggested
earlier.
Thanks for enlightening me a little more about rpm's options.
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Norm Dresner
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Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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"Moe Trin" <ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld> wrote in message
news:slrnd05lqs.cri.ibuprofin@compton.phx.az.us...
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In theory, the '--nodeps' option might work - but there is are safer
ways around this.
1. Grab the source rpm, and install that. This has no effect on your
rpm database, or anything else.
2. Have you got midnight commander installed? It will open rpm _files_
for viewing and copying components. Start mc, then keyboard/mouse your
way to the 'enlightenment-docs-0.16.7-1.noarch.rpm' file, and hit the
Enter key. I've used that option fairly often, especially with rpms
that didn't come from the distributor (remember that many distros use
rpm, and some are quite different).
Okay, what can I do? I've tried rpm -i --force
Getting a bigger hammer often just makes smaller pieces that you
have to pick up after you discover how it trashed your system. This
is RARELY a good idea.
BUT ... but ... I said that I didn't want to install the binary
until
I read the doc to see how much different it was from the previous version
with which I had to maintain compatibility.
Actually, I prefer working with the src.rpm for this, as you get ALL of
the
documentation (the binary rpms - even the 'doc-noarch' rpms often don't
include all of the documentation. Also, it includes the 'spec' file
that rpm-build uses to convert the source to a binary, and this will tell
you what options the package maintainer has selected. This may also impact
on your compatibility problems.
Old guy
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Well, I've apparently got Midnight Commander v4.5.42 installed and I've
brought it up and highlighted the rpm file and hit the enter key and apart
from a brief flash of the window, nothing happens! I've tried this in both
the left and right windows -- although never having used it before I have no
idea what the difference is between the two sides.
I might give the source option a try as soon as (a) I have time and (b) I
assure myself that I don't have the source for the older version already
installed.
Thanks for the suggestions
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prg
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 235
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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Norm Dresner wrote:
[snip]
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Well, I've apparently got Midnight Commander v4.5.42 installed and
I've
brought it up and highlighted the rpm file and hit the enter key and
apart
from a brief flash of the window, nothing happens! I've tried this
in both
the left and right windows -- although never having used it before I
have no
idea what the difference is between the two sides.
I might give the source option a try as soon as (a) I have time and
(b) I
assure myself that I don't have the source for the older version
already
installed.
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If all you want to do at this stage is examine the help doc, as I
posted several days ago, just grab the .tgz and read MAIN after you
expand the file. No need to install anything.
Since you have mc installed, just double click the .tgz file in mc,
double click enlightenment-docs-0.16.7, double click E_docs, highlight
MAIN, select View from menu at bottom of screen. Does it get easier?
Get it here:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/enlightenment/enlightenment-docs-0.16.7.tar.gz?download
or pick it from the sourceforge download list:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2&package_id=116678&release_id=234365
hth again,
prg
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R. G. Newbury
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 18 Mar 2005
Posts: 15
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Re: This also happened to me, easy to fix...
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:15:11 UTC, "Stan Goodman"
<SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:16:59 UTC, "Thufir Hawat" <thufir.hawat@mail.com
opined:
Stan Goodman wrote:
[..]
I am told that GRUB does not necessarily HAVE to go on the MBR, but
You have to learn chain loading, and a fresh install of windows
might
(?) muck things up again. It's probably easier to fix, but I wonder if
it's easier than just installing GRUB on the MBR again, should windows
muck the MBR...
A subsequent installation of Windows would screw things up anyway, even with
the suggested location for GRUB, because it would uninstall OS/2 Bootmanager
(which is why I want to put GRUB elsewhere, not on MBR). Reinstalling
Bootmanager is no problem. But all that is moot, as there is very little
chance that I would want to install Windows.
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Grub would not 'uninstall' Boot Manager. It would replace the MBR code
with a version which points to the grub.conf (menu.lst) boot menu.
The actual Boot Manager under OS/2 resides in its own partition
(usually one cylinder's worth of disk space).
The MBR passes control to whatever partition it is told to. The boot
manager program shows you your choices and passes control to your
selection. If you use Grub that can be a one or 2 step process
depending on whether Boot Manager continues to control booting to the
FAT, FAT32, VFAT or HPFS partitions.
If memory serves, waaay back under Wapr 2 or 3 you could 'dual-boot'
directly from the MBR BUT only between OS/2 and DOS (each in their own
partition if memory further serves). But it was limited to just those
2 because it had to fit into the MBR.
Installing Windows does screw things, because it ALWAYS over-writes
the MBR with its own stuff. But if you have GRUB (or Boot Manager)
installed that's not a real problem: Re-boot from something else
(floppies or Damn Small Linux or any live distro) and run a grub
re-install, or, as the case may be, a Boot Manager re-install with
'fdisk /mbr'.
The advantage of Grub is that it understands Linux kernels: you can
have different kernels (or even distros) in its boot choice menu AND
one choice can point you to Boot Manager, which understands OS/2, DOS,
Win98, WinXP etc. And unlike how Windows installs, you can set
partitions hidden with fdisk and install different Windows OS, each to
its own "C:" drive, so that they are individually standalone. Grub is
more confusing (in my opinion) if you wish to do that sort of thing
(hide some partitions while using others).
Giving Grub the first crack at things, followed by Boot Manager turned
out to be easier than the other way round... and far less worries
about things going south and leaving me with no access to my HPFS
drives. A credit card sized live distro CD and a few files saved on
the 'available-from-everywhere-D:-drive' means that I can always fix
things to boot and run without needing a floppy drive for my Thinkpad
(or the desktop).
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Moe Trin
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 20 Feb 2005
Posts: 972
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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In article <UYMMd.3966$Th1.1938@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Norm Dresner wrote:
| Quote: | Well, I've apparently got Midnight Commander v4.5.42 installed and I've
brought it up and highlighted the rpm file and hit the enter key and apart
from a brief flash of the window, nothing happens!
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Strange - on this box, I'm using an older version (4.1.35), and another box
has 4.5.51. Highlighting an rpm file (this happens to be
netwatch-0.6c-2.i386.rpm), and hitting enter pauses for several seconds, then
replaces the panel with a new panel displaying the contents of the rpm. I'm
not going to try to cut and paste, but
../ 2048 Jan 15 07:26
/INFO 0 Oct 9 1998
/usr 0 Feb 5 17:47
HEADER 1199 Oct 9 1998
*INSTALL 39 Oct 9 1998
*UPGRADE 39 Oct 9 1998
highlighting '/usr' and hitting enter gets me
/.. 0 Feb 5 17:47
/bin 0 Feb 5 17:47
/doc 0 Feb 5 17:47
highlighting '/bin' and hitting enter gets me
/.. 0 Feb 5 17:47
*netwatch 63660 Oct 9 1998
highlighting '/..' and hitting enter gets me back to the previous menu.
highlighting '/doc' and hitting enter gets me
/.. 0 Feb 5 17:47
/netwatch-0.6c 1024 Oct 9 1998
highlighting '/netwatch-0.6c' and hitting enter gets me
/.. 0 Feb 5 17:47
BUGS 715 Mar 14 1997
CHANGES 2668 Mar 14 1997
README 3757 Mar 12 1997
highlighting 'CHANGES' and pressing F3 displays the contents of that
file. From the same point, pressing F5 gives a pop-up menu to copy the
file to some destination directory. I just checked this on the
other system with 4.5.51 and another rpm that happened to be there,
and it's working the same way. What are the permissions and ownership
of the rpm file? Also, what version of rpm are you using? rpm is
backwards compatible, not forwards compatible. RH6.x came out of box with
rpm-3.0.x, and updated to rpm-4.x during the supported life. RH7.0 came
with rpm-4.0 (7.1 with rpm-4.0.2, 7.2 with rpm-4.0.4), and I'm pretty
sure there were significant changes between rpm-3.x and rpm-4.x. A
quick check of the old errata lists show RH6.2 was updated to rpm-4.0.2-6x
(which meant it was for RH6.x) on Mar 21 2001. That was _probably_ a
second or third update of rpm itself, and I vaguely recall needing the
first update installed in order to install the second or similar. The
original version was not able to make the jump in one fell swoop. There
was a severe pain in the butt, because ftp.redhat.com (or the errata server)
only kept the latest version available for download. If you need the
intermediates, you may have a problem finding them now. Best solution in
that case would be to put the package onto a system with a modern version
of rpm, and use 'mc' there.
| Quote: | I've tried this in both the left and right windows -- although never
having used it before I have no idea what the difference is between the
two sides.
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Got me - I use mc at least two or three times a month, and usually
just fumblefinger my way along without causing the world to explode.
| Quote: | I might give the source option a try as soon as (a) I have time
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Yeah, that always is a problem
| Quote: | and (b) I assure myself that I don't have the source for the older version
already installed.
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If they're different versions INCLUDING JUST A DIFFERENT DASH NUMBER, then
it's no problem. The source gets installed into
/usr/src/RedHat/SOURCES/enlightenment-docs-0.16.7-1/
But if you have the "wrong" version of rpm, you're still going to run into
the same problem of not being able to unpack the rpm.
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Ken Heard
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
Posts: 28
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Re: Another GRUB problem
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In reference to previous posts on this subject, I had said, in brief:
| Quote: | I had consulted the Linux+Win9x+Grub HOWTO by Joel Rosen dated
2002-01-10 as to how to install Windows 98 as aa dual boot after Linux has been
installed in hda. He suggested adding the following to grub.conf:
title Windows 98 booted from hard drive
map (hd0,0) (hd1,0)
map (hd1,0) (hd0,0)
rootnoverify (hd1,0)
chainloader +1
title Windows 98 booted from CD-ROM
map (hd0,0) (hd1,0)
map (hd1,0) (hd0,0)
chainloader (scd0) +1
title DOS booted from floppy
map (hd0,0) (hd1,0)
map (hd1,0) (hd0,0)
chainloader (fd0) +1
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In response, Leonard Evens wrote, in part:
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I am hardly an expert since I am having some problems understanding grub
myself. I don't understand the syntax for the chainloader command, but
here is something you might try in the floppy section.
map ...
map ...
rootnoverify (fd0)
chainloader +1
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This command sequence worked. I was able to install DOS from a floppy
in the A: drive.
However, I was unable to get Windows 98 up and running. I suspect some
sort of conflict between Linux and Win98 which prevented the latter's
installer from completing its tasks.
Sometime after mid-April I expect to get back to figuring out how to
get Win98 installed, perhaps by transposing the hard drives so that the
one with Win98 is hda and the Linux one hdb and then installing grub in
the MBR of the hda. In the meantime I have many better things to do.
Leonard Evens went on to say:
| Quote: | Windows 98 is an awful operating system. You would have much better
luck with Windows XP which, I believe, doesn't have to be on the first
hard disk.
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ALL flavours of Windows are "awful", in my opinion. I am trying to use
98 because it is the one I have legally. (I do not have any illegally.)
I am now at the point that my need for any flavour of Windows is so
marginal that I do not want to spend any money on later flavours.
Another option is to keep as a backup a P2 box which already has Win98
and nothing else.
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sweetnjguy29@yahoo.com
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 5
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Re: Xwindows isn't working - Fatal Service Error: no screen found
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I found the solution for my problem. The problem was directly related
to my ATI Radeon 7200 video card; specifically, the drivers.
I first upgraded from stable "Woody" to testing "Sarge" using the 2.4
kernel. (I couldn't get 2.6 to install)
I logged in as root, and typed at the prompt:
" apt-get install xlibmesa-dri "
Luckly the mesa open source drivers were already installed.
Then, I typed on the command line:
"nano /etc/X11/XFConfig-4"
I used the arrow keys to go down to the device section and replaced
what was there originally with:
Section "Device"
Identifier "Radeon9200"
Driver "radeon"
Option "AGPMode" "4"
# ChipID 0x4242
EndSection
I then went to the Module section and made sure that I placed a #
before Load "GLcore", and made sure that dri and glx were loaded. It
looked like this:
(... indicates stuff I was too lazy to type here)
Section "Module"
# Load "GLcore"
....
Load "dri"
Load "glx"
I saved the changes and exited.
__________________
I hope these instructions will be helpful for anyone having trouble
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Bill Davidsen
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 217
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Re: Sound in linux? ASUS P5AD2, Fedora Core III
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Matt wrote:
| Quote: | Matt wrote:
Benjamin Johnson wrote:
Kudzu doesn't see the sound"card" when either option is set.
That happens sometimes. I don't know how hard it is for you to set it
up right. One option is to buy a cheap standard sound card and
disable the onboard sound. I find that such a card with a CM8738
chipset sets up without problems. See also:
comp.os.linux.hardware
comp.os.linux.setup
comp.os.linux.misc
comp.os.linux.redhat
linux.redhat
linux.redhat.misc
groups.google.com
OfficeMax has a sound card free after rebate this week.
See www.techbargains.com
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In my case I think it's a setup issue, FC1 and FC2 had sound on my
laptop, so FC3 *may* have a problem.
--
bill davidsen (davidsen@darkstar.prodigy.com)
SBC/Prodigy Yorktown Heights NY data center
Project Leader, USENET news
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Bill Marcum
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Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 1264
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Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.setup.]
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:25:54 GMT, Norm Dresner
<ndrez@att.net> wrote:
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Okay, what can I do? I've tried rpm -i --force ... but it just gave me the
same messages as rpm -i ... so that won't work.
Does anyone know how to install a doc file without having the binary? Or
can someone tell me where I can find the old doc file for the binary I have.
You can use mc to view the contents of an .rpm file, or .deb, .tgz, |
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Bill Marcum
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Posts: 1264
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Re: Catch 22 trying to install doc package
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["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.setup.]
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:58:44 GMT, Norm Dresner
<ndrez@att.net> wrote:
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Well, I've apparently got Midnight Commander v4.5.42 installed and I've
brought it up and highlighted the rpm file and hit the enter key and apart
from a brief flash of the window, nothing happens! I've tried this in both
the left and right windows -- although never having used it before I have no
idea what the difference is between the two sides.
Maybe you got a bad rpm file, or something went wrong while trying to |
uncompress it.
The two sides just allow you to view two files or directories, and copy
or move files from one to the other. You can also have a tree view on
one side, or split the screen horizontally, or not at all...
| Quote: | I might give the source option a try as soon as (a) I have time and (b) I
assure myself that I don't have the source for the older version already
installed.
Thanks for the suggestions
Norm
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K Doty
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 1
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Re: AMD's Athlon64 or Intel's P4?
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I have The GA-K9NS Pro. Its The best board i have ever owned.
"Gary Colligan" <gazac@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:cjh2p6$inj$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
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"Please take the dot [.] out of the address for replies"
"> About the only trick that you might run into is that many new
motherboards only come with 2 IDE controllers, enough for 4 devices.
It looks like your system has 5 IDE devices. Often the extra parallel
IDE connectors have been dropped in favor of Serial ATA ones, though
there are at least a few boards less with 3 IDE controllers (I know
Asus' A8V Deluxe has them).
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Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca
If he has a look at the Gigabyte GA-K8NS Pro, he will have no problem with
all them ATA ide's
it has 4xATA & 4xSATA
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Bill Marcum
*nix forums Guru
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 1264
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Re: installing mpg123 failed -what did I do wrong
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:08:38 GMT, Bill Davidsen
<davidsen@tmr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Package mpg123 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package mpg123 has no installation candidate
I would say the error message is quite clear on this, go to "another
source" and get it. I'm not a debian guy, so I don't know where that
might be, you can probably get source from freshrpms or freshmeat.net.
Try browsing http://www.apt-get.org or add this line to sources.list: |
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
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Bill Davidsen
*nix forums Guru Wannabe
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 217
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:
Re: FC3 - no wlan0 (wireless on TP42)
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OtisUsenet wrote:
| Quote: | Hello,
Problem:
I'm trying to get WiFi going with a Fedora Core 3 (kernel
2.6.9-1.667) installed on an IBM ThinkPad T42. It looks like iwconfig
is not seeing my wireless card (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG).
Symptoms:
# /sbin/iwconfig
lo no wireless extensions.
eth0 no wireless extensions.
sit0 no wireless extensions.
This looks weird. Don't most people have 'wlan0', which represents
their WiFi NIC?
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No. NICs are named eth0..ethX
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I have downloaded and installed the drivers for my WiFi card from
http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ including the firmware (0.19 version).
The drivers are loaded as kernel modules:
# lsmod | egrep 'ipw|802'
ipw2200 114316 0
ieee80211 28228 1 ipw2200
ieee80211_crypt_wep 5120 0
ieee80211_crypt 7044 2 ieee80211,ieee80211_crypt_wep
I should be able to do 'ifconfig wlan0 key s:password' and such, but
'wlan0' is missing. :(
Does anyone have any idea what I could do to get 'wlan0' going? Or
does anyone know what 'sit0' represents?
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Spell it eth1 (I'm guessing, do ifconfig -a). sit0 is the IPv6 in IPv4
connection (from memory).
--
bill davidsen (davidsen@darkstar.prodigy.com)
SBC/Prodigy Yorktown Heights NY data center
Project Leader, USENET news
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Tmio Makinen
*nix forums beginner
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Posts: 1
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Re: Problem displaying linux console from Windows 2k
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what is windows ?
"Pepebuho" <p1e2p3e4b5u6h7o8@pananet.com> wrote in message
news:bdbp89091f@enews4.newsguy.com...
| Quote: | Hi
I am a newbie and I installed a headless server next to my Windows 2K
computer in order to learn better about Linux.
My problem is as follows. Everytime that I login to the server and execute
"man" to look up the manual pages, I get some garbage characters on the
screen.
I have tried accessing my server using the following methods:
1. Cygwin environment using SSH
2. telnet from cmd.exe
If I do "man bash" from the Cygwin shell inside my Win2K system, I get the
following after NAME:
bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell
If I conect to my headless server using ssh from the cygwin environment, I
get the following:
bash â^' GNU Bourneâ??Again SHell
If I do it by using telnet (the plain vanilla from windows2k) I get the
following:
bash ?êÆ GNU Bourne?ÇÉAgain SHell
And like those lines, there are several others with strange characters in
between.
I know that for some reason, ssh and telenet are not interpreting some
escape sequence character. My question is the following.
1. How and Where can I find in Linux the format definition for the output,
including what type of escape character they are using when somebody
connects from outside the server. I am using redhat 8.0
2. what commands, if any do I have availabel under cygwin or ssh to
properly
interpret such an input?
3. what commands if any do I have available under Windows2k telnet to
properly interpret sush an input?
thanks, I apreciate whatever help or pointers for info you might provide
me
with.
Javier
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Tom F.
*nix forums addict
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Posts: 52
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Re: This also happened to me, easy to fix...
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What you say is true as far as it goes, but I stand by my post. Newbies
have no business logging in as root in X in 99 percent of all cases.
A few distros -- Debian and Fedora come to mind -- even disallow root
logins from xdm.
I can't remember a time when I HAD to do a full login as root. I'm sure
there are cases, but I can't remember any.
When I'm feeling lazy, I just start a file manager as root, but that
pretty much covers it. All configuration utilities that need root
access ask for it when the are started.
I may have overstated it slightly, but I don't know why this is so
shocking.
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