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thegoldbug
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"Erik Baigar" <erik@baigar.de> wrote in message
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Hi SGI-fans,
since I run Indigo2 and Octane I wanted to have Crystal
Eyes for a long time. Since they are rare and expensive I
decided to do it as a electronics project. The outcome is
a small converter board which can directly plugged onto
graphics boards of the Impact series (including Solid-,
High- an Maximum-Impact and the Octane`s MXI, MXE, SI and
similar options). On the other side the board has a
small connector to accept cheap and readily available
LCD shutter glasses, made for the PC crap (Search eBay
for "LCD game virtual reality glasses 3D" or similar).
The implementation uses the 12V supply from the Indigo2
and a PIC processor generates the timing (600Hz switching
of LCD glasses and left/right switching synchronously
to the 3D-signal delivered by the SGI). OK, this might
be overkill, but in this way adaption to different
shutter glasses can be done via firmware (converter
ist tested with "Fanatic" and "Cyber Boy". The voltage
to the LCDs is driven by a CMOS-chip and can be adjusted
for optimum contrast.
I am willing to share the know howw if someone is
interested (see http://www.baigar.de/electronics/SGI3D-1.0.pdf).
Additionally I have four PCBs left which I'd trade for
some stuff - make offers. I am especially interested in
software supporting the glasses or/and a space mouse. At
the moment I have ac3d and battalion running with the
glasses and powerflip with the space mouse. I'd be
interested in a version of perfly for glasses and space
mouse...
Regards,
Erik.
P.S. Older Indigo-Style graphics (Extreme) should accept
the converter, too. One needs a adapter cable in this
case...
P.P.S. Of course I will share the firmware with everyone
interested...
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Very nice Erik. Off the top of your head what is the approximate cost of
parts in the list. I've read about similar hacks and a couple for the Power
Glove but haven't gotten past the reading stage. I'm sorry to say I don't
have anything to trade but would be interested in one of the PCBs or even a
completed one.
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Steven J. Hill
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:20 am Post subject:
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thegoldbug wrote:
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Very nice Erik. Off the top of your head what is the approximate cost of
parts in the list. I've read about similar hacks and a couple for the Power
Glove but haven't gotten past the reading stage. I'm sorry to say I don't
have anything to trade but would be interested in one of the PCBs or even a
completed one.
I redesigned the serial Power Glove interface back in 1997. You can go |
to my crappy old web page here at the bottom for the information.
-Steve
http://www.realitydiluted.com/projects/vrstuff/index.html |
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:32 am Post subject:
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"Steven J. Hill" wrote:
| Quote: | I redesigned the serial Power Glove interface back in 1997. You can go
to my crappy old web page here at the bottom for the information.
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Hey Steven, that is still an interesting web-site. You collected
a lot of interesting information and links! You adapter connects
obviously to the serial port of a PC. The signals out of a
Indigo are somewhat different (12V supply and TTL for
left/right)...
I would definitively not call your site "crappy old web page":
In contrast to newer pages which are awfully loaded with
meaningless information it fun to look at! |
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:40 am Post subject:
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thegoldbug wrote:
| Quote: | Very nice Erik. Off the top of your head what is the approximate cost of
parts in the list. I've read about similar hacks and a couple for the Power
Total cost should be below $30 if you only implement |
necessary things (i.e. do not place the cool flashing LEDs
onto the PCB). I bought LCD-glasses for EUR9.42 (i.e. approx
$12) on Germany's eBay in August. The cost is comparable to
Stevens 1997 version of the project...
| Quote: | Glove but haven't gotten past the reading stage. I'm sorry to say I don't
have anything to trade but would be interested in one of the PCBs or even a
completed one.
Since the parts are sourface mounted, you should have some |
experience with the solder iron if you want to do the job.
Than one needs no more than 1.5h to solder all parts onto
the PCB. For flashing the fimrware you need a flashing device
and some sort of cable to connect it to the PCB.
For those having an acceptable offer I'd solder the PIC to
the PCB and flash the Cyber-Boy-firmware prior to shipping...
Best regards,
Erik. |
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J.A. Gutierrez
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In comp.sys.sgi.hardware Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: some stuff - make offers. I am especially interested in
: software supporting the glasses or/and a space mouse. At
You may want to try "gdj" image viewer
<ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-1.1.tar.gz>
<ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-irix-mips3.tar.gz>
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NAME
gdj - JPEG/JFIF file viewer
gdi - image file viewer
[...]
OPTIONS:
[...]
-3 Stereo, requires two equal size images.
-4 Stereo, without setmon (debug only).
-x Stereo, requires crossed-eye stereo image file
(*.jps).
-a Stereo, requires anaglyph image file, which is dis-
played as grayscale.
[...]
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:14 am Post subject:
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"J.A. Gutierrez" wrote:
Thanks a lot for the hint! I got the files, but my machine
refuses to execute the irix-mips3-binary. A try to compile
the sources with gcc (instead of cc which I do not have)
leads to a binary causing a "bus error". Will look why
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:26 am Post subject:
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Erik Baigar wrote:
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"J.A. Gutierrez" wrote:
In comp.sys.sgi.hardware Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: some stuff - make offers. I am especially interested in
: software supporting the glasses or/and a space mouse. At
You may want to try "gdj" image viewer
ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-1.1.tar.gz
ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-irix-mips3.tar.gz
Thanks a lot for the hint! I got the files, but my machine
refuses to execute the irix-mips3-binary. A try to compile
the sources with gcc (instead of cc which I do not have)
leads to a binary causing a "bus error". Will look why
this happens on the weekend...
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OK, found a machine with cc installed and licensed and
was able to compile there. Is anyone interested in a
gdj-irix6.5.tar.gz? |
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J.A. Gutierrez
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:52 am Post subject:
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In comp.sys.sgi.graphics Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: Erik Baigar wrote:
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:> > <ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-irix-mips3.tar.gz>
:> Thanks a lot for the hint! I got the files, but my machine
:> refuses to execute the irix-mips3-binary. A try to compile
I'm afraid it was my fault. The binary on that tarball was
not mips3, but ppc/darwin. Now it's fixed
mips3/n32 binary should work on any IRIX 6.5 with R4400 or
better CPU (I have tested it on R4600PC/IRIX6.2 and
R12000/IRIX 6.5.24f); but requires dynamic GLUT library.
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Erik Baigar
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"J.A. Gutierrez" wrote:
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In comp.sys.sgi.graphics Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: Erik Baigar wrote:
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:> > <ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-irix-mips3.tar.gz
:> Thanks a lot for the hint! I got the files, but my machine
:> refuses to execute the irix-mips3-binary. A try to compile
I'm afraid it was my fault. The binary on that tarball was
not mips3, but ppc/darwin. Now it's fixed
mips3/n32 binary should work on any IRIX 6.5 with R4400 or
better CPU (I have tested it on R4600PC/IRIX6.2 and
R12000/IRIX 6.5.24f); but requires dynamic GLUT library.
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....sorry - may be I am doing something wrong but I am not able to
download the file now. My ftp is telling that it is switching
to passive mode and there it hangs forever (ftp from command line
and download via netscape).
In using my own compiled version (glut 3.7 from SGI's freeware page),
MipsPro-compiler. The call "gdj -b -v -s 5 -3 /tmp/curtin03.jps"
switches the Max-Impact to 3D for a short time (1s, Glasses sync
to the output) but no picture is displayed and the original settings
are restored immediately. The output of gdj is:
gdj:(c) SPDsoft, (Uses IJG code v6b), 1.1 Dec 2005
# SCREEN: 1280x1024
000 /tmp/curtin03.jps 563 1512 RGB image
The display is displayed perfectly if I omit the -3 option...
Do you have got 3D-glasses connected to your SGI's?
What setmon-resolution do you use? I tried all 3D-able...
Best regards,
Erik. |
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject:
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"J.A. Gutierrez" wrote:
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In comp.sys.sgi.graphics Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: Erik Baigar wrote:
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:> > <ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-irix-mips3.tar.gz
:> Thanks a lot for the hint! I got the files, but my machine
:> refuses to execute the irix-mips3-binary. A try to compile
I'm afraid it was my fault. The binary on that tarball was
not mips3, but ppc/darwin. Now it's fixed
mips3/n32 binary should work on any IRIX 6.5 with R4400 or
better CPU (I have tested it on R4600PC/IRIX6.2 and
R12000/IRIX 6.5.24f); but requires dynamic GLUT library.
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....sorry - may be I am doing something wrong but I am not able to
download the file now. My ftp is telling that it is switching
to passive mode and there it hangs forever (ftp from command line
and download via netscape).
In using my own compiled version (glut 3.7 from SGI's freeware page),
MipsPro-compiler. The call "gdj -b -v -s 5 -3 /tmp/curtin03.jps"
switches the Max-Impact to 3D for a short time (1s, Glasses sync
to the output) but no picture is displayed and the original settings
are restored immediately. The output of gdj is:
gdj:(c) SPDsoft, (Uses IJG code v6b), 1.1 Dec 2005
# SCREEN: 1280x1024
000 /tmp/curtin03.jps 563 1512 RGB image
The display is displayed perfectly if I omit the -3 option...
Do you have got 3D-glasses connected to your SGI's?
What setmon-resolution do you use? I tried all 3D-able...
Best regards,
Erik. |
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:
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Erik Baigar wrote:
| Quote: | Additionally I have four PCBs left which I'd trade for
some stuff - make offers. I am especially interested in
software supporting the glasses or/and a space mouse. At
the moment I have ac3d and battalion running with the
glasses and powerflip with the space mouse. I'd be
interested in a version of perfly for glasses and space
mouse...
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Found out, that powerflip is able to handle SpaceMouse
AND stereo simultaneously. The binary is in SGI's demos
package and resides in /usr/demos/General_Demos/. You
find demo data in the directory /usr/demos/General_Demos/data
and can launch it in 3D stereo mode e.g. with
powerflip -S data/beethoven.ydl from the directory
/usr/demos/General_Demos/
Have fun,
Erik. |
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject:
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Erik Baigar wrote:
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"J.A. Gutierrez" wrote:
In comp.sys.sgi.graphics Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: Erik Baigar wrote:
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:> > <ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-irix-mips3.tar.gz
:> Thanks a lot for the hint! I got the files, but my machine
:> refuses to execute the irix-mips3-binary. A try to compile
I'm afraid it was my fault. The binary on that tarball was
not mips3, but ppc/darwin. Now it's fixed
mips3/n32 binary should work on any IRIX 6.5 with R4400 or
better CPU (I have tested it on R4600PC/IRIX6.2 and
R12000/IRIX 6.5.24f); but requires dynamic GLUT library.
...sorry - may be I am doing something wrong but I am not able to
download the file now. My ftp is telling that it is switching
to passive mode and there it hangs forever (ftp from command line
and download via netscape).
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Today I was able to download your new version. With netscape I
got it. After unpacking it still refuses to launch, since it
claims, that glut can not be found:
1447:./gdj: rld: Fatal Error: Cannot Successfully
map soname 'libglut.so'
On th box I installed glut-3.7 as well and /usr/lib/libglut.a
exists and is accessible. How did you compile gdj? It is
looking for "libglut.so"?
The binary I mentioned in the last posting was compiled
on a Onyx without problems and there glut 3.7 is installed, too.
(/usr/lib/libglut.a). I used "MIPSpro Compilers: Version 7.30"...
Here the program starts, and using this binary on the Onyx
and my Indigo2 I can display images as mentioned in the last
posting (a.k.a without 3D):
| Quote: | In using my own compiled version (glut 3.7 from SGI's freeware page),
MipsPro-compiler. The call "gdj -b -v -s 5 -3 /tmp/curtin03.jps"
switches the Max-Impact to 3D for a short time (1s, Glasses sync
to the output) but no picture is displayed and the original settings
are restored immediately. The output of gdj is:
gdj:(c) SPDsoft, (Uses IJG code v6b), 1.1 Dec 2005
# SCREEN: 1280x1024
000 /tmp/curtin03.jps 563 1512 RGB image
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But 3D does not work... On the Onyx (which is far away)
I can not use Crystal Eyes and gdj says
/usr/gfx/setmon: No such device
graphics getboardinfo failed 2setmon attempt failed!
But this is normal I think, since the box has no
known gfx... |
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J.A. Gutierrez
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:27 am Post subject:
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In comp.sys.sgi.hardware Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: "J.A. Gutierrez" wrote:
:>
:> In comp.sys.sgi.graphics Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
:> : Erik Baigar wrote:
:> :>
:> :> > <ftp://ivo.cps.unizar.es/pub/SPDsoft/gdj-irix-mips3.tar.gz>
:>
: download the file now. My ftp is telling that it is switching
: to passive mode and there it hangs forever (ftp from command line
Probably you will have to disable passive mode. Our firewall
may be filtering it...
: In using my own compiled version (glut 3.7 from SGI's freeware page),
: MipsPro-compiler. The call "gdj -b -v -s 5 -3 /tmp/curtin03.jps"
: switches the Max-Impact to 3D for a short time (1s, Glasses sync
: to the output) but no picture is displayed and the original settings
: are restored immediately. The output of gdj is:
: gdj:(c) SPDsoft, (Uses IJG code v6b), 1.1 Dec 2005
: # SCREEN: 1280x1024
: 000 /tmp/curtin03.jps 563 1512 RGB image
seems right.
: The display is displayed perfectly if I omit the -3 option...
that's wrong; I guess I will have to clarify this on
the man page.
The "-3" option is for using two separated jpg files for
left and righ images.
gdj -3 left.jpg right.jpg
For "jps" files you use "-x" option:
gdj -x foo.jps
: Do you have got 3D-glasses connected to your SGI's?
: What setmon-resolution do you use? I tried all 3D-able...
Yes, right now I have crystalEyes conected to an Octane
Graphics board 0 is "IMPACTSR" graphics.
Managed (":0.0") 1280x1024
Product ID 0x2, 1 GE, 1 RE, 0 TRAMs
MGRAS revision 4, RA revision 0
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J.A. Gutierrez
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:37 am Post subject:
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In comp.sys.sgi.hardware Erik Baigar <erik@baigar.de> wrote:
: Today I was able to download your new version. With netscape I
: got it. After unpacking it still refuses to launch, since it
: claims, that glut can not be found:
: 1447:./gdj: rld: Fatal Error: Cannot Successfully
: map soname 'libglut.so'
Yes, you need a dynamic libglut (n32).
: On th box I installed glut-3.7 as well and /usr/lib/libglut.a
: exists and is accessible. How did you compile gdj? It is
: looking for "libglut.so"?
Yes. You should have compiled glut with dynamic libraries
support. Once you have the static library you can create
the dynamic one using "mkshlib32 libglut 3 7", where
mkshlib32 is:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
ld \
-mips3 -n32 \
-rpath /usr/local/lib32 \
-elf \
-shared \
-no_unresolved \
-rdata_shared \
-soname $1.so \
-o $1.so.$2.$3 \
-all $1.a \
-set_version sgi$2.$3 \
-lc
rm -f $1.so
ln -s $1.so.$2.$3 $1.so
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You can find my own compiled glut 3.7 at:
<http://webdiis.unizar.es/pub/unix/graphics/3D/glut-3.7-irix6.tgz>
<ftp://webdiis.unizar.es/pub/unix/graphics/3D/glut-3.7-irix6.tgz>
(just unpack it on /usr/local)
:> In using my own compiled version (glut 3.7 from SGI's freeware page),
so, I guess this will be the most common glut for IRIX,
with no dynamic libraries included... Then I will have
to link statically gdj for the distributed binary.
:> MipsPro-compiler. The call "gdj -b -v -s 5 -3 /tmp/curtin03.jps"
see previous post. You have to use "-x", not "-3"
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Erik Baigar
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject:
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"J.A. Gutierrez" wrote:
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AND IT IS REALLY COOL
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Already did experiments with own 3D pictures and it is
really fun. I can highly recommend Cesars pegamento
utility for aligning the two pictures. Pegamento is
one of the best programs I know at all - Using it on O2
it handles 50MegaPix pictures stitched together from
20 files absolutely smooth, even in rotating and zooming!
gdj and pegamento is a perfect combination for
making jps-files which are fun to watch with gdj!
Thanks a lot,
gdj is really great,
Erik.
| Quote: | :> MipsPro-compiler. The call "gdj -b -v -s 5 -3 /tmp/curtin03.jps"
see previous post. You have to use "-x", not "-3"
OK, reading carefully it is obvious from the man page! |
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